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10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lb Mini

Posted By: greiffster

10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lb Mini - 10/30/17 05:05 PM

Nicol's '06 Mini Cooper S is in need of a new clutch as it's shifting poorly. Seeing as a clutch job is more expensive then the KBB trade-in value (that's depressing), I thought I'd try and tackle it myself. Wow, what a monster of a job this has been.
Two schools of thought here. Either yank out the engine or drop the transmission out the bottom. Both methods suck and are a lot of work, but I chose the latter. Here's some pics of the car and everything that has come out/off, including the sub-frame, before you can get to the transmission.


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As it turns out, the clutch disk was worn, but not horribly. But, the throw-out bearing had come apart and bits were rolling around the bell housing. I'm still putting it back together as I'm waiting on a couple parts that I may have broken during tear down dontknow
This car has been a lot of fun over the years, but it's a beast to work on.


Posted By: OoPEZoO

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lbs Mini - 10/30/17 05:49 PM

Practice this one in front of the mirror for a few minutes Mike.......

"Wow, my back hurts. Honey......jobs like these would be SO much easier if I had a proper lift. It would pay for itself in no time."
Posted By: szurszewski

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lbs Mini - 10/30/17 06:02 PM

That looks like even more fun than I had replacing the steering rack on our Volvo XC. It sat on top of the subframe that held the engine/tranny, so same choices you had - I managed to sneak it out by jacking up the engine six inches, dropping the subframe then snaking the rack out through where the right front suspension used to be.

I don't think you're really getting the full experience though because you have a fancy garage instead of a carport. In Oregon. In the winter. Oh, also I had to do it twice because the brand new rack leaked. wink

Has Nicol been riding the GS to school?

Edit to add:
Too bad you didn't weigh all the parts you took off - I bet it was a third of the car!
Posted By: greiffster

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lbs Mini - 10/30/17 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by OoPEZoO
Practice this one in front of the mirror for a few minutes Mike.......

"Wow, my back hurts. Honey......jobs like these would be SO much easier if I had a proper lift. It would pay for itself in no time."


Actually, my back is killing me. Along with the my bloody index finger that I hit with my angle grinder (stripped pressure plate bolt). Nicol actually thinks I do stupid jobs like this so I can buy more tools I don't already have. mmmm...lift.
Posted By: lawnchairboy

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lbs Mini - 10/30/17 06:38 PM

a better man than I sir.
Posted By: greiffster

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lbs Mini - 10/30/17 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by szurszewski

Has Nicol been riding the GS to school?


I told her to take it. bike She told me I was driving her to school. dopeslap
Posted By: Bill_Walker

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lbs Mini - 10/30/17 09:14 PM

Today's vehicles are incredibly densely packed. Take the fairings off a wethead RT if you don't believe me. Anyway, it does make them harder to work on. I think the shop manuals practically say "Step 1: disassemble the entire vehicle".
Posted By: eddd

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lbs Mini - 10/30/17 09:58 PM


Reminds me of back in my youth when a friend had an Austin-Healey Sprite that needed engine work. Two of us stood on either side in the engine bay and lifted the engine out handing it to two more friends who set it on the ground.
Posted By: szurszewski

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lbs Mini - 10/31/17 04:39 AM

Originally Posted by eddd

Reminds me of back in my youth when a friend had an Austin-Healey Sprite that needed engine work. Two of us stood on either side in the engine bay and lifted the engine out handing it to two more friends who set it on the ground.


...I think you're just trying to show off that you had three friends in your youth - that must have been cool wink

Laura, Jeremiah, the dogs and I rode through Hurricane yesterday - I sort of waved in a general direction as I didn't know where you were. Considered posting a joke about bringing your old "short pants" by for a visit, but then decided against it...and now here it is.

wave
Posted By: Medic Mike

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lbs Mini - 10/31/17 10:09 AM

From my count, I only saw three adult beverages, one bottle and two cans...did the heavier stuff stay in the house for after work hours?
Posted By: greiffster

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lbs Mini - 10/31/17 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Medic Mike
From my count, I only saw three adult beverages, one bottle and two cans...did the heavier stuff stay in the house for after work hours?


Actually, that is an unopened box of aluminum can/bottle koozies. But, just to the left of the case of bottled water, and out of frame, is my full size garage fridge. Normally, I would measure a job by the number of beers. This job requires at least one entire shelf of beer. smirk
Posted By: Bud

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lb Mini - 10/31/17 10:03 PM

Mike,

It makes tired just looking at what you did.

Slack off a little or I'm going to have to take the rest of the week off to rest up. grin
Posted By: Bill_Walker

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lb Mini - 11/01/17 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by eddd

Reminds me of back in my youth when a friend had an Austin-Healey Sprite that needed engine work. Two of us stood on either side in the engine bay and lifted the engine out handing it to two more friends who set it on the ground.


You forgot to mention that the transmission was still attached, because there was no way to separate them while they were in the car. At least in the post-bugeye '68 I had.
Posted By: eddd

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lb Mini - 11/02/17 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by Bill_Walker
Originally Posted by eddd

Reminds me of back in my youth when a friend had an Austin-Healey Sprite that needed engine work. Two of us stood on either side in the engine bay and lifted the engine out handing it to two more friends who set it on the ground.


You forgot to mention that the transmission was still attached, because there was no way to separate them while they were in the car. At least in the post-bugeye '68 I had.


I don't recall, but it seems likely. I just remember that no one struggled with the lift. That little four banger was tiny compared to the engines in our other cars. We also used man power to re-install a VW bug engine. We lifted the body up and over the engine after it was rebuilt.
Posted By: Lone_RT_rider

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lb Mini - 11/02/17 05:30 PM

I have a friend (I know, right?) at work that has a Mini. He's in the process of stuffing a Nissan 370Z V6 engine into it. I tried to convince him that an LSX would be a better option, but he's not having it. laugh burnout
Posted By: greiffster

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lb Mini - 11/02/17 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Lone_RT_rider
I have a friend (I know, right?) at work that has a Mini. He's in the process of stuffing a Nissan 370Z V6 engine into it. I tried to convince him that an LSX would be a better option, but he's not having it. laugh burnout


I’m going to have to see a photo of that to believe it. No way that V6 is going to fit in there.
Posted By: szurszewski

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lb Mini - 11/02/17 11:31 PM

I don't know. If you can fit a 350 v8 into a Miata, why not?
Posted By: greiffster

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lb Mini - 11/10/17 04:03 PM

You know what sucks.....

When you put your Cooper back together with the new clutch and take it for test drive and it runs and shifts beautifully, like it never has. clap

And then the the next day you notice oil under the car. jaw And it's coming from the rear main seal because you obviously didn't put the new one in right or got it cocked? facepalm
Posted By: szurszewski

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lb Mini - 11/10/17 04:11 PM

Ah crap. At least ... um....got to be something good...um....at least it should be faster this time because you've done it before?

Lame!

Probably better just trade it in on a Jeep for Nicol to drive to Alaska smile
Posted By: Lone_RT_rider

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lb Mini - 11/10/17 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by greiffster
You know what sucks.....

When you put your Cooper back together with the new clutch and take it for test drive and it runs and shifts beautifully, like it never has. clap

And then the the next day you notice oil under the car. jaw And it's coming from the rear main seal because you obviously didn't put the new one in right or got it cocked? facepalm


Don't feel bad. I blew out the sight glass on my R1100RT once because I pounded the rear main seal in too far. It seems, you block off the PCV when you do that.... lol. Silly me. smile
Posted By: greiffster

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lb Mini - 11/10/17 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by szurszewski
Ah crap. At least ... um....got to be something good...um....at least it should be faster this time because you've done it before?

Lame!

Probably better just trade it in on a Jeep for Nicol to drive to Alaska smile


Well, I got the whole sub-frame back out and ready to drop the transmission in about 2 1/2 hours. It took me most of a day the first time. So, yes, it's a skill that I am honing. GREAT! dopeslap

There will be no trade in after my second attempt because it will be at the bottom of the Cumberland River.
Posted By: greiffster

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lb Mini - 11/10/17 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Lone_RT_rider


Don't feel bad. I blew out the sight glass on my R1100RT once because I pounded the rear main seal in too far. It seems, you block off the PCV when you do that.... lol. Silly me. smile


I got the seal in there flush, I think?. I did have to start it at little angle to get it going. Maybe I damaged the inner lip? What sucks is the original seal was not leaking and I replaced it as preventative maintenance since they are known to fail north of 100k miles. ohboy Pure genius.
Posted By: szurszewski

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lb Mini - 11/10/17 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by greiffster
Originally Posted by Lone_RT_rider


Don't feel bad. I blew out the sight glass on my R1100RT once because I pounded the rear main seal in too far. It seems, you block off the PCV when you do that.... lol. Silly me. smile


I got the seal in there flush, I think?. I did have to start it at little angle to get it going. Maybe I damaged the inner lip? What sucks is the original seal was not leaking and I replaced it as preventative maintenance since they are known to fail north of 100k miles. ohboy Pure genius.


Hmmm - maybe it should get turned into a Jeep right away then...
Posted By: greiffster

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lb Mini - 11/13/17 03:26 PM

I got it all back together (for the second time) and everything is good (I think). No leaks. thumbsup
Posted By: szurszewski

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lb Mini - 11/13/17 03:47 PM

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Posted By: Living the Dream

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lb Mini - 11/13/17 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by greiffster
I got it all back together (for the second time) and everything is good (I think). No leaks. thumbsup


How many parts left over? wink
Posted By: greiffster

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lb Mini - 11/13/17 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Living the Dream
Originally Posted by greiffster
I got it all back together (for the second time) and everything is good (I think). No leaks. thumbsup


How many parts left over? wink


Ha, I always worry about that. In this case, none. thumbsup Just a very slightly used Victor Reinz seal that looked to be installed correctly, yet leaked anyway?
Posted By: szurszewski

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lb Mini - 11/13/17 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by greiffster
Originally Posted by Living the Dream
Originally Posted by greiffster
I got it all back together (for the second time) and everything is good (I think). No leaks. thumbsup


How many parts left over? wink


Ha, I always worry about that. In this case, none. thumbsup Just a very slightly used Victor Reinz seal that looked to be installed correctly, yet leaked anyway?


Maybe all the oil got out already?
Posted By: greiffster

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lb Mini - 11/13/17 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by szurszewski

Maybe all the oil got out already?


Well, Nicol got to school this morning, so I assume it still has some oil. wink But it's only about 7 miles. If it seizes up on the way home and she turns it into a huge paperweight, I'll know I was wrong. In either case, problem solved. cuz
Posted By: Lone_RT_rider

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lb Mini - 11/15/17 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by greiffster
Originally Posted by Lone_RT_rider
I have a friend (I know, right?) at work that has a Mini. He's in the process of stuffing a Nissan 370Z V6 engine into it. I tried to convince him that an LSX would be a better option, but he's not having it. laugh burnout


I’m going to have to see a photo of that to believe it. No way that V6 is going to fit in there.


Apparently they fit better in the back... laugh

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Posted By: greiffster

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lb Mini - 11/15/17 06:15 PM

Wow! Wait? So rear wheel drive?? Manual or auto? I'm not sure how I'd feel about sitting/driving in the engine compartment. smirk
Posted By: Lone_RT_rider

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lb Mini - 11/15/17 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by greiffster
Wow! Wait? So rear wheel drive?? Manual or auto? I'm not sure how I'd feel about sitting/driving in the engine compartment. smirk



Rear wheel drive, manual transmission. The guy doing it is a Bon-a-fide genuis (Think Mitch on a TON of caffeine). You may, or may not have heard of his book.

Shawn
Posted By: Bill_Walker

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lb Mini - 11/16/17 02:52 AM

Originally Posted by greiffster
Wow! Wait? So rear wheel drive?? Manual or auto? I'm not sure how I'd feel about sitting/driving in the engine compartment. smirk


Anybody remember the Renault R5 Turbo?
Posted By: szurszewski

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lb Mini - 11/16/17 06:02 AM

We had a '92 Cadillac Eldorado for a few years - I couldn't decide if it would be more fun to do this:

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or make it a convertible (about the same price for either assuming I was paying someone else to do the work)....so we sold it and bought a sidecar wink
Posted By: MarkAZ

Re: 10 lbs engine/tranny in a 5 lb Mini - 11/17/17 01:51 AM

ISTR a conversion for the Corvair where they used a small V8 mounted midships about where the back seat would have been. The transaxle had to be turned around, etc. but I think there were kits available to do it. I only saw pictures (probably in Hot Rod) but it looked pretty cool. Talk about sitting/driving in the engine compartment...
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