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Gap videos

Posted By: RTP'er

Gap videos - 11/20/08 05:45 PM

I was watching some Youtube videos on the Gap. I was wondering, how come it is legal for 18 wheelers to cross the double yellow lines? And how many motorcyclists get killed in head on truck crashes per month? This is nuts.
Posted By: Jerry Duke

Re: Gap videos - 11/20/08 06:32 PM

It's a US highway, US 129. If you ever get there, stop in at the store/restaurant at Deal's Gap and there are plenty of pictures that make you wonder why they bother with motorcycles when they should be diverting trucks off this road.
Posted By: Nice n Easy Rider

Re: Gap videos - 11/20/08 06:47 PM

 Originally Posted By: Jerry Duke
It's a US highway, US 129. If you ever get there, stop in at the store/restaurant at Deal's Gap and there are plenty of pictures that make you wonder why they bother with motorcycles when they should be diverting trucks off this road.


My understanding was that many of the truckers end up on this road by accident - their GPS units route them there and they have no idea what awaits them. Kinda like what happens when some of the EU truckers cross over to England and get routed through a small village where they then cannot proceed forward or even get jammed in between buildings.
Posted By: RTP'er

Re: Gap videos - 11/20/08 06:56 PM

There is videos of crazies going way fast that wouldn't stand a chance if a truck showed up around the turn, but I also saw some videos of people cruising the speed limit being run off the road coming on a truck with no way around. It doesn't make sense to me.

Maybe a sign, no trucks past this point? No lawsuits from people getting hurt? Do they value motorcylist's lives so little?
Nuts...
Posted By: Joe Frickin' Friday

Re: Gap videos - 11/20/08 07:01 PM

 Originally Posted By: Nice n Easy Rider
 Originally Posted By: Jerry Duke
It's a US highway, US 129. If you ever get there, stop in at the store/restaurant at Deal's Gap and there are plenty of pictures that make you wonder why they bother with motorcycles when they should be diverting trucks off this road.


My understanding was that many of the truckers end up on this road by accident - their GPS units route them there and they have no idea what awaits them. Kinda like what happens when some of the EU truckers cross over to England and get routed through a small village where they then cannot proceed forward or even get jammed in between buildings.


There's a big sign on the north end that warns of tight twisty roads and advises trucks to seek an alternate route. No doubt there are some truckers who don't know what they're in for and give it a shot, but I suspect there are some who realize the length of the detour required to go any other way, and decide to shoot the gap. Starting out in Marysville:

-Direct route to Robbinsville, through Deals Gap, is 32 miles.

-To the east, commercial traffic through Smoky Mountains Nat'l Park is prohibited. You have to go around the east end of the park, for a total distance of 160 miles.

-To the west - 411, 360, Cherohala Skyway - is 82 miles.

So through the Gap, treacherous though it be, saves 50 miles and at least an hour.

And no, AFAIK it is not legal for anyone to cross a double-yellow line - even if you're dragging a 53-foot trailer through hairpin turns. I doubt they get cited for it very often though.
Posted By: RTP'er

Re: Gap videos - 11/20/08 07:26 PM

Like I said, nuts...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv9MPYHjADU&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvrcqeIPYOg&NR=1
Posted By: wbrissette

Re: Gap videos - 11/21/08 10:55 AM

This past spring I was out at Deals Gap. A group of six of us rode from Austin to Georgia. I had just picked up my Buell Ulysses a few weeks before and decided to see what it was like on long trips. The problem was by the time I got there, I already needed my 1 K service (I was over by a few hundred as it was). Normally I would have waited, but it was the first service and the bike would have nearly 2K miles on it by the time I got back to Texas. Anyhow, another rider and I rode to TN to get the service on the Buell done at a HD shop that said they could work me in (understatement... they pull a mechanic and had him start on it immediately). We were in and out of the dealership in under two hours.

We decided to hit the dragon since we were mere minutes away. I'm not exactly sure where the 18 wheeler came from. We completed the East to West leg, stopped at the dam, got off looked around, then got back on our bikes and rode back West to East. About 1.5 miles in, we stumbled across the the 18-wheeler. I have no idea where it came from. I would have thought I would have seen or heard it pass us while we were viewing the river. Anyhow, that 18-wheeler was in a world of hurt. He had to straddle both roads many, many times and several times the traffic had to reverse on the East to West route, so he could get he rig around the corner. I was surprised nobody got hurt. There was one stretch where we could see around him, and we both had enough and shot in front of him.

On the way back to the cabin we rented in Northern Georgia, we hit Hwy 64 in TN and both of us thought that road was just as enjoyable as the dragon. I personally think too many people are now riding on 129.

Wayne
Posted By: motoguy128

Re: Gap videos - 11/21/08 03:08 PM

 Originally Posted By: Joe Frickin' Friday
 Originally Posted By: Nice n Easy Rider
 Originally Posted By: Jerry Duke
It's a US highway, US 129. If you ever get there, stop in at the store/restaurant at Deal's Gap and there are plenty of pictures that make you wonder why they bother with motorcycles when they should be diverting trucks off this road.


My understanding was that many of the truckers end up on this road by accident - their GPS units route them there and they have no idea what awaits them. Kinda like what happens when some of the EU truckers cross over to England and get routed through a small village where they then cannot proceed forward or even get jammed in between buildings.


There's a big sign on the north end that warns of tight twisty roads and advises trucks to seek an alternate route. No doubt there are some truckers who don't know what they're in for and give it a shot, but I suspect there are some who realize the length of the detour required to go any other way, and decide to shoot the gap. Starting out in Marysville:

-Direct route to Robbinsville, through Deals Gap, is 32 miles.

-To the east, commercial traffic through Smoky Mountains Nat'l Park is prohibited. You have to go around the east end of the park, for a total distance of 160 miles.

-To the west - 411, 360, Cherohala Skyway - is 82 miles.

So through the Gap, treacherous though it be, saves 50 miles and at least an hour.

And no, AFAIK it is not legal for anyone to cross a double-yellow line - even if you're dragging a 53-foot trailer through hairpin turns. I doubt they get cited for it very often though.


Parts of Deals Gap remind me of Independence Pass in Colorado. They clearly restrict traffic with trailer longer than a certian number of feet. I don't know why that can't be done there as well. The detour for IP is at least 100 additonal miles... and most GPS will probably try to route you through it.
Posted By: BeamieToo

Re: Gap videos - 11/21/08 03:55 PM



It makes me cringe. If that trucker is not violating every ethical and regulatory code in the book than I don't know what to think.

These vids speak for themselves. These maniacs should not be behind the wheel at all !!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: RTP'er

Re: Gap videos - 11/21/08 04:29 PM

The guy that laid it down did an amazing job finding the one spot of clear ground to do that. You can see him heading for that tree and then adjusting his trajectory to go further right to the tiny clearing where he could safely do so. It looks to me like he was dang close to the speed limit of 30.

Had he been one of those fast crotch rockets he would have been an organ donor.
Posted By: Boone60

Re: Gap videos - 11/22/08 02:37 AM

My brother drives semi and I sent him the video of that Swift truck all over the Dragon. He wasn't impressed and answered back that his map showed an 80 mile alternate route and that is what he would have taken if going that way.
Posted By: ESokoloff

Re: Gap videos - 11/22/08 04:19 PM

 Originally Posted By: Boone60
My brother drives semi and I sent him the video of that Swift truck all over the Dragon.


It was not a Swift truck but rather one from http://structall.com/
If you look on the side of the trailer you will find that as well as their ph# (800) 969-3706
Posted By: Boone60

Re: Gap videos - 11/22/08 06:08 PM

 Originally Posted By: ESokoloff
 Originally Posted By: Boone60
My brother drives semi and I sent him the video of that Swift truck all over the Dragon.


It was not a Swift truck but rather one from http://structall.com/
If you look on the side of the trailer you will find that as well as their ph# (800) 969-3706


Hi Eric,

This is the video I was referring to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebQP4SgFGgM

Take Care,

Dan
Posted By: farmerp

Re: Gap videos - 11/22/08 06:21 PM

SWIFT Sure
Wish
I'd
Finished
Training
Posted By: BailyD

Re: Gap videos - 11/22/08 10:18 PM

I agree 100% about the trucks not being there BUT,

"These vids speak for themselves. These maniacs should not be behind the wheel at all !!!!!!!!!!"

I think this quote could easily be used to describe many of the motorcyclists riding on that same stretch of roadway.
Posted By: Nice n Easy Rider

Re: Gap videos - 11/22/08 10:34 PM

 Originally Posted By: BailyD
I agree 100% about the trucks not being there BUT,

"These vids speak for themselves. These maniacs should not be behind the wheel at all !!!!!!!!!!"

I think this quote could easily be used to describe many of the motorcyclists riding on that same stretch of roadway.




After watching these videos and reading all these posts I think that whatever interest I had in doing the 'dragon' has been diminished significantly. There are a lot of other roads in the mountains of NC, VA and TN that I'm sure can provide fun rides without the hassles that seem to be part of the "dragon' experience.
Posted By: Joe Frickin' Friday

Re: Gap videos - 11/23/08 03:30 AM

 Originally Posted By: Boone60
 Originally Posted By: ESokoloff
 Originally Posted By: Boone60
My brother drives semi and I sent him the video of that Swift truck all over the Dragon.


It was not a Swift truck but rather one from http://structall.com/
If you look on the side of the trailer you will find that as well as their ph# (800) 969-3706


Hi Eric,

This is the video I was referring to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebQP4SgFGgM

Take Care,

Dan


Wow. I've had a lot of fun on the Dragon, but I'm not sure I want to go back after seeing that video. Seems like trailers over X length ought to be outright prohibited from going through there.
Posted By: ESokoloff

Re: Gap videos - 11/23/08 05:01 AM

Wow!!!!!
I had not seen that one Dan.

I'll I can say is ....
Swift move x-lax
Posted By: ESokoloff

Re: Gap videos - 11/23/08 05:02 AM

 Originally Posted By: Joe Frickin' Friday
Seems like trailers over X length ought to be outright prohibited from going through there.


Seems like a no brainer.
What gives????
Posted By: Kraynak

Re: Gap videos - 11/26/08 03:18 PM

Quote:
There are a lot of other roads in the mountains of NC, VA and TN that I'm sure can provide fun rides without the hassles that seem to be part of the "dragon' experience.

Shhhhh no there isn't, the best road is the Dragon, thats the only road in NC that I would ride. smirk
Posted By: Agent_Orange

Re: Gap videos - 11/26/08 06:40 PM

+1 thumbsup
Posted By: Wyn

Re: Gap videos - 12/01/08 04:56 PM

Would Swift like to see the video?
Posted By: dhanson

Re: Gap videos - 12/10/08 01:57 PM

During my ride on the Gap, met a motorcyclist, waving to slow down and pointing off, then a State Trooper around the next curve, same thing waving to slow down and pointing to pull off.

I slowed but wasn't going fast anyway, next curve I met the 18 wheeler swinging around the curve taking all of the road plus some of the opposite shoulder.

He or I wasn't going fast, but there are not a lot of places to pull off, I found one tho, no problem.
Posted By: Dave in Doodah

Re: Gap videos - 12/17/08 07:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Nice n Easy Rider

After watching these videos and reading all these posts I think that whatever interest I had in doing the 'dragon' has been diminished significantly. There are a lot of other roads in the mountains of NC, VA and TN that I'm sure can provide fun rides without the hassles that seem to be part of the "dragon' experience.


Yeah... watching those videos is pretty spooky, but what really scared me straight was the caliber of the YouTubers and their comments... Yikes!!! eek
Posted By: MrHondamatic

Re: Gap videos - 12/18/08 02:39 PM

After watching a couple of those, I get the feeling that the Tennessee LEOs don't give a hoot about motorcyclists, and view trucks as an ally in discouraging motorcyclists.

There are plenty more roads in that general area, without the BS.
Posted By: JoeMc

Re: Gap videos - 12/18/08 05:57 PM

If you check out the license plates on the trucks, they are mostly locals. You can draw you own conclusions.

+1 on too many riding the Gap.
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