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#588318 - 04/08/10 08:09 PM Re: R1200RT or K1300GT [Re: Mike ONeill]  
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My story, had an 08 RT, traded for a 09 GT, just traded the GT for a leftover 09 RT. I thought I could turn the GT into an RT by lowering the pegs and raising the bars. It didn't work out.

I posted this once before, but now I can't find it so I'll post it again.

RT vs GT

First I lifted a photo of each bike from the BMW Web site. I laid one on top of the other, set the opacity to 50% on the RT and scaled it to the GT using the rear wheel. (they have the same size wheels) Next I placed a red dot on RT pegs, seat, bars and front wheel. Last I removed the RT. The difference didn't look that drastic, I thought I could live with it. My old knees didn't agree.








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#588352 - 04/08/10 11:10 PM Re: R1200RT or K1300GT [Re: 3Putt]  
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Thanks for posting this again. It is really a creative way to illustrate the differences. As you noted, there does not appear to be that much of a difference. But when ridden any distance, the difference can really be felt. The riding position on the GT just feels more laid forward and even though the pegs are slightly to the rear, it makes a difference on my knees. Adding the peg lowering and bar raising kits help, but the proportions just are not the same. Plus, the lowered pegs are easier to scrape, the passenger can melt a boot on the exhaust (installed some insulating tape to help that) and the orientation of the brake and shifter require adjustment and the addition of pedal pad extensions (and still are not quite right). Add a horrid factory driver saddle and an hour on a GT feels like a day on an RT -- at least to my 57 y.o., 6-1, 290LB body. YMMV.

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2010 Honda Goldwing
2009 BMW K1300GT
2006 HD VRSCR (Street Rod)
1999 BMW R1100RT
1982 Yamaha Seca 750

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#588422 - 04/09/10 02:55 AM Re: R1200RT or K1300GT [Re: Rphoto]  
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I think the photos speak for themselves. The shorter wheelbase results in more nimble handling in tight twisties and low speeds, but the relaxed steering angle keeps it stable.

The bars are closer and almost what, 2" higher. The peg position is a small change, but combined with the seat height and bars (body position affects hip angle and effective distance to the pegs.


2007 BMW R1200RT (Blue)
#588431 - 04/09/10 03:43 AM Re: R1200RT or K1300GT [Re: motoguy128]  
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My first post too. I had the same concerns when choosing my second beemer. Loved my 1100RT, but was torn between the GT and RT as well. Rode them both several times. Loved the power and feel of the GT but my backside told me the RT was the better choice for the long twisty rides I favor. I chose the 1200RT, with no regrets.


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#588461 - 04/09/10 11:18 AM Re: R1200RT or K1300GT [Re: FlyingW1200RT]  
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Sold my '03 RT and purchased an '07 GT. The RT was prettier and the handling was about the same. But I've said it before...the GT has a 21st century engine and the RT has an early 20th century engine. Yes, the boxer engine is easier to work on but it is not nearly as refined and powerful as the GT engine. My '56 Chevy straight-six engine was easier to work on than a BMW 5-series engine too. I've owned three BMW boxer engine bikes (and have one now) and the GT engine is smoother and has required less maintenance than any of them.
At 6'2" and 190, I find the eros of the GT fit me just fine. I added a Rick Mayer seat, the only change I needed to make the bike just about perfect.



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#588518 - 04/09/10 02:15 PM Re: R1200RT or K1300GT [Re: 3Putt]  
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Tom - That's about as good an answer as one could hope for. What a novel approach. Thanks to everyone's input!


Mike O'Neill
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#588752 - 04/10/10 12:55 PM Re: R1200RT or K1300GT [Re: Mike ONeill]  
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I have had 6 R12RTs and 3 LTs 2 GSs with 1 12GT with only 1 ABS wire that was tightened to tight with the pull tie from the factory as the single problem.
I guess that I have been lucky.
Tend to gravitate to RTs as you can see.
I balled up my 09 RT so I'm now trying an 09 GSA. It's in the garage calling to me but I must wait a bit for the pelvis bone and concussion to mend further.
I guess what I am saying is, do not fear BMW's reliability. I never even think about it when I am out riding. Like any thing else, if it breaks, fix it.
Enjoy your search.
ATGATT


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#589004 - 04/11/10 03:12 PM Re: R1200RT or K1300GT [Re: AZRTRDR]  
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Yea Tim, not everyone can afford to swap out bikes like you do. I know your story, but not all here do. So my advice to anyone who spends that kind of $$$ for a bike is...Buy the one you like and fits you well.


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#589741 - 04/13/10 05:45 PM Re: R1200RT or K1300GT [Re: AZKomet]  
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The 2010 RT is great. The torque curve change makes quite a bit of difference. The valve adjust system used now will make maintenance cheaper as they will require less attention. The transmission in this bike is so smooth to shift, I am always shocked when I get back on the K bike. I have a K13S and this new RT. Love them both, whichever one I am on I always say to myself "this is the bike". If I were going with one bike what a difficult choice. I completely recommend the RT though to anyone thinking about it. It's got to be the classic BMW even at it's high price.

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#589815 - 04/13/10 09:22 PM Re: R1200RT or K1300GT [Re: Beech]  
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An additional thing to consider (and something near to my heart as my bike has been sitting at the dealer for more than a week awaiting backordered switchgear) is that the K1300's have had more than their share of defects and recalls -- some of it serious. Some of these seem to still be occurring even with the newest 2010 bikes. The RT's have had some problems, too, but overall reliability appears to be better. Not every K-bike, but enough as to have prompted 3 recalls and several service bulletins.


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2009 BMW K1300GT
2006 HD VRSCR (Street Rod)
1999 BMW R1100RT
1982 Yamaha Seca 750

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