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#712370 - 07/18/11 03:37 AM When size didn't matter  
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Some other posts got me to thinking about my early days of riding. I started off on a 250cc and thought it was a big enough bike to go anywhere, at any speed, on any road. I kept up with Atlanta expressway traffic, went up to the mountains, and played on twisty roads and in rush hour traffic with the best of them. Never occurred to me that I was a second-class biker who should stay on backroads. I did make fun of my roommate's 125 Italian bike, but he just kept it wound up and rode like a maniac.

Later I had a Honda CB350 as my only vehicle for a year and rode the interstates to get home from Macon GA to Atlanta on a regular basis; usually on Friday nights. Again, I kept up with traffic and even passed people. Thought it was a real bike and treated it as such. Even rode two-up on trips.

My only point is to question why do I now need over 1000ccs to move competatively down the road? Why wouldn't a 20yr old be cool riding a 350cc motorcycle?


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#712376 - 07/18/11 04:26 AM Re: When size didn't matter [Re: Quinn]  
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Originally Posted By: Quinn
...why do I now need over 1000ccs to move competatively down the road? Why wouldn't a 20yr old be cool riding a 350cc motorcycle?


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Why? Because the marketers said so. Hey, lookie here!! It's bigger, it's better........

A 20y/o to a 90y/o plus would be great on a small bike.

It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow.

You should read some Peter Egan. He has it right.


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#712401 - 07/18/11 11:07 AM Re: When size didn't matter [Re: Quinn]  
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IMO there's no reason why a 20 year old can't be cool on a 350cc and it might be a lot more affordable at that age.

Just a hunch that you are a bit older than a 20 year old grin and there are all sorts of reasons why we progress to bigger engine bikes:

The credibility factor of riding a big BMW cool

Getting older means not liking to be scrunched up and in all the elements frown

Not getting pushed around the freeway by the air-shockwaves off the front of big lorries frown

Bigger bike makes us feel safer smile

Being able to afford being on a bigger bike smile

Your biker friends seem to be on the same journey and you'd feel an idiot at an all big bike ride on a Honda 125 grin


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#712403 - 07/18/11 11:25 AM Re: When size didn't matter [Re: Quinn]  
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Excellent topic!

I think it may have something to do with how we learned to ride and the general motorcycle environment of the day. I and many of my era learned to ride on less than 100cc's. My first experience was a Honda Sport 50, the motorcycle, not the scooter. It was licensed for road use and was the machine I got my mc license on... at 15. I rode to Jr Hi on a 90cc Suzuki enduro, a very popular machine along with the Yamaha 90 enduro (and they had passenger pegs). We used to drool over 125's and 250's! My first 'big' machine was a 350cc Yamaha R5 that was marketed as a 'mid-size touring machine'. I will say that it seems machines really are different now. Having had a late model (2004) 800cc Triumph that took me all over the country but I felt was underpowered... moreso than the BSA 650 or the Trident 750 I used to ride. Loaded for touring and at highway speeds, around 70-80, there wasn't much throttle left. The R11RT is the largest displacement machine I've ever owned, and it works keeping up at any speed on any highway in the country, my Triumph 800 would not, I'd like to think my Trident would but I probably remember it better than it was. I commute on a DR650 on nice days. It seems like a large motorized bicycle after getting of days on the RT! And this is a 650 thumper, something that would have been consider top of the food chain in a different time.

I do like that Suzuki has come out with the TU250 that harkens back to a different time, but with technology of today. As soon as they;ve been around long enough to have a few in the used bike market I might try to get one.

Now if they'd only make and market real smaller displacement motorcycles that were priced in the area that could be paid for by a kid working at McDonalds...

Oh, I still have a 1972 R5 and my 16 yo son thinks it's the coolest bike in the garage!


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#712424 - 07/18/11 12:27 PM Re: When size didn't matter [Re: Quinn]  
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I've continuously increased bike sizes over the years but only to maintain the power to weight ratio I'm accustomed to. grin


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#712427 - 07/18/11 12:30 PM Re: When size didn't matter [Re: Quinn]  
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When I started riding I was 6'5 and 275lbs. A 250 would be like a monkey screwing a football. I started on a KZ1000 and it wasn't too much bike for me.


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#712428 - 07/18/11 12:31 PM Re: When size didn't matter [Re: Albert]  
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Originally Posted By: Albert
I've continuously increased bike sizes over the years but only to maintain the power to weight ratio I'm accustomed to. grin


You've got a good point there. I'm now carrying a front pillion with me full time compared to my youthful self.

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#712455 - 07/18/11 02:12 PM Re: When size didn't matter [Re: Quinn]  
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I've always enjoyed going to a larger bike up until my R1200RT. I think everyone has a certain limit and that was pretty much mine.


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#712458 - 07/18/11 02:16 PM Re: When size didn't matter [Re: VinnyR11]  
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Originally Posted By: VinnyR11
I've always enjoyed going to a larger bike up until my R1200RT. I think everyone has a certain limit and that was pretty much mine.


I came from a kawasaki Nomad. 250 lbs heavier. It's nice to lose weight. smile


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#712460 - 07/18/11 02:40 PM Re: When size didn't matter [Re: Ponch]  
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Originally Posted By: Ponch
When I started riding I was 6'5 and 275lbs. A 250 would be like a monkey screwing a football. I started on a KZ1000 and it wasn't too much bike for me.


Monkeys are really stupid, aren't they?


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