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#749979 - 12/29/11 04:18 PM Re: Almost got taken out by a car running from the cops [Re: MarkyP]  
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I guess what struck me about this particular incident is that it was a) on a virtually deserted road in the dark, and b) the Lexus driver appeared as if he could have been a bad actor. I think in terms of officer safety alone I would have been apprehensive of approaching the Lexus solo if I had been in his shoes, just based on my observation of the driver's behavior. But I don't do this for a living either, so I'm not in a position to render judgement one way or the other.

I know you officers do this a lot and I'm sure that thought process goes through your head on almost every stop. I suppose you don't really know what you're in to until you get there.

Anyway, thanks for the replies. And yes the Tee is on your side.

#750039 - 12/29/11 10:04 PM Re: Almost got taken out by a car running from the cops [Re: jviss]  
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Originally Posted By: jviss
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You were lucky. I have no idea why we tolerate that. confused

We don't tolerate it, that I know of.


Of course we do..From a legal standpoint we don't even consider the act of running from police a serious offense as is demonstrated from the "no chase" policies.. If offenders were treated as the attempted murder suspects they are it would save innocent lives and property. I say use deadly force to protect innocent citizens from deadly force...Offenders could choose to go to jail or the morgue..It's their choice..


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#750041 - 12/29/11 10:11 PM Re: Almost got taken out by a car running from the cops [Re: Lawman]  
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Lawman, I agree with you 100% on that one. But few others will.
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#750046 - 12/29/11 10:32 PM Re: Almost got taken out by a car running from the cops [Re: Lawman]  
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Originally Posted By: Lawman
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Originally Posted By: Lawman
You were lucky. I have no idea why we tolerate that. confused

We don't tolerate it, that I know of.


Of course we do..From a legal standpoint we don't even consider the act of running from police a serious offense as is demonstrated from the "no chase" policies.. If offenders were treated as the attempted murder suspects they are it would save innocent lives and property. I say use deadly force to protect innocent citizens from deadly force...Offenders could choose to go to jail or the morgue..It's their choice..

One must balance the risk of injury to bystanders with the value of apprehending a suspect. By 'not tolerating' that behavior, I was referring to what will happen to someone who does that who gets caught. Implementing a no-chase policy is not equivalent to tolerance.

Putting the public's life in danger to apprehend a suspected car thief is not responsible, or at least, a good trade-off, in my opinion; many legislatures and police policy makers agree.

I don't understand your statement where you say that offenders are all attempted murder suspects.


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#750062 - 12/30/11 12:07 AM Re: Almost got taken out by a car running from the cops [Re: jviss]  
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Originally Posted By: jviss
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Originally Posted By: jviss
Originally Posted By: Lawman
You were lucky. I have no idea why we tolerate that. confused

We don't tolerate it, that I know of.


Of course we do..From a legal standpoint we don't even consider the act of running from police a serious offense as is demonstrated from the "no chase" policies.. If offenders were treated as the attempted murder suspects they are it would save innocent lives and property. I say use deadly force to protect innocent citizens from deadly force...Offenders could choose to go to jail or the morgue..It's their choice..

One must balance the risk of injury to bystanders with the value of apprehending a suspect. By 'not tolerating' that behavior, I was referring to what will happen to someone who does that who gets caught. Implementing a no-chase policy is not equivalent to tolerance.

Putting the public's life in danger to apprehend a suspected car thief is not responsible, or at least, a good trade-off, in my opinion; many legislatures and police policy makers agree.

I don't understand your statement where you say that offenders are all attempted murder suspects.


Fleeing suspects in high speed pursuits are all attempting to murder you or someone else.


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#750064 - 12/30/11 12:11 AM Re: Almost got taken out by a car running from the cops [Re: Lawman]  
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Quote:
I say use deadly force to protect innocent citizens from deadly force...Offenders could choose to go to jail or the morgue..It's their choice..


Long ago before all of the new no pursuit policies, I had a guy that was going to run after I stopped him. After a couple words were exchanged, I asked him "can your car go 1450 feet per second?"


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#750066 - 12/30/11 12:19 AM Re: Almost got taken out by a car running from the cops [Re: Danny caddyshack Noonan]  
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Another good one.
You see, a 'deadly weapon' can be anything, when used to try to injure someone. A piece of pipe, which would otherwise be just a conduit for water, if used in a menacing manner, would be a deadly weapon.
Because a good whack from a pipe could split a head open and kill someone. Deadly. Even tho' the pipe only weighs 5 or 10 pounds.
How much does a car weigh?

I guess the other thing that totally fails in logic is to believe that it is the pursuit that puts anyone in danger. It is not. It is the fleeing.
dc

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#750091 - 12/30/11 02:03 AM Re: Almost got taken out by a car running from the cops [Re: Mister Tee]  
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Very pleased that he didn't get you, I was not so lucky a few years back when a runner got my back wheel from 90 degrees at an intersection.

He was moving too, launched me several hundred metres and got me an ambulance ride. The police said "above 140KMH". I was very lucky in only dislocating a finger, a few cracked ribs and having the best concussion I ever hope to experience. The bike was needless to say not so fortunate.

My little debacle made the paper with the usual tut tutting about high speed chases and the dangers of. My letter to same defending the actions of the officers and supporting the policy of running down these fools was sadly found to be unsuited for publication...

Chase them to the gates of hell I say.


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#750105 - 12/30/11 03:00 AM Re: Almost got taken out by a car running from the cops [Re: jviss]  
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Originally Posted By: jviss


Putting the public's life in danger to apprehend a suspected car thief is not responsible, or at least, a good trade-off, in my opinion; many legislatures and police policy makers agree.

I don't understand your statement where you say that offenders are all attempted murder suspects.


He was just a car thief before he started running red lights and stop signs in a 4000 pound vehicle..Now he's a potential killer..

Steal a gun and start randomly shooting into a school classroom filled with kids.. What are you now? a thief????


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#750111 - 12/30/11 03:16 AM Re: Almost got taken out by a car running from the cops [Re: Lawman]  
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I'm with you here, Billy. Run or die, your choice. Choosing to run IS choosing to put innocent lives in danger. It's the ultimate expression of childish and cowardly behavior.

Do these people actually expect that they will escape and then "poof", the law will just forget about them? Is that what happens when a runner does manage to evade capture -- assuming the original stop was for a traffic violation?

Oh, and Tee, I am also very glad you managed to avoid disaster. And I agree, good on you for thinking about the LEO thumbsup

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