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#750113 - 12/30/11 03:16 AM Re: Almost got taken out by a car running from the cops [Re: jviss]  
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Originally Posted By: jviss
Putting the public's life in danger to apprehend a suspected car thief is not responsible, or at least, a good trade-off, in my opinion; many juries made up of average citizens who award millions of dollars of taxpayers' money to injured innocent bystanders agree.


Fixed it for you to make it conform with reality.


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#750115 - 12/30/11 03:27 AM Re: Almost got taken out by a car running from the cops [Re: DavidEBSmith]  
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Originally Posted By: DavidEBSmith
Originally Posted By: jviss
Putting the public's life in danger to apprehend a suspected car thief is not responsible, or at least, a good trade-off, in my opinion; many juries made up of average citizens who award millions of dollars of taxpayers' money to injured innocent bystanders agree.


Fixed it for you to make it conform with reality.


For the record, in case anyone doesn't notice, that's NOT a quote of what I posted, it's been doctored. I don't think that's right to do.


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#750123 - 12/30/11 03:58 AM Re: Almost got taken out by a car running from the cops [Re: DavidEBSmith]  
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Originally Posted By: DavidEBSmith
Originally Posted By: jviss
Putting the public's life in danger to apprehend a suspected car thief is not responsible, or at least, a good trade-off, in my opinion; many juries made up of average citizens who award millions of dollars of taxpayers' money to injured innocent bystanders agree.


Fixed it for you to make it conform with reality.


Which goes exactly to my point...I don't understand why we tolerate it..


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#750129 - 12/30/11 04:42 AM Re: Almost got taken out by a car running from the cops [Re: jviss]  
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Originally Posted By: jviss
Originally Posted By: DavidEBSmith
Originally Posted By: jviss
Putting the public's life in danger to apprehend a suspected car thief is not responsible, or at least, a good trade-off, in my opinion; many juries made up of average citizens who award millions of dollars of taxpayers' money to injured innocent bystanders agree.


Fixed it for you to make it conform with reality.


For the record, in case anyone doesn't notice, that's NOT a quote of what I posted, it's been doctored. I don't think that's right to do.


Yes, we notice. This altering of another's quote to underscore an alternative view is often done with the aim of showing how just a slight change in the quote underscores the very different meaning.

I wouldn't sweat it, take it personally, or wonder if anyone will associate the changed text with you.


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#750162 - 12/30/11 02:11 PM Re: Almost got taken out by a car running from the cops [Re: David13]  
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Originally Posted By: David13
Another good one.
You see, a 'deadly weapon' can be anything, when used to try to injure someone. A piece of pipe, which would otherwise be just a conduit for water, if used in a menacing manner, would be a deadly weapon.
Because a good whack from a pipe could split a head open and kill someone. Deadly. Even tho' the pipe only weighs 5 or 10 pounds.
How much does a car weigh?

I guess the other thing that totally fails in logic is to believe that it is the pursuit that puts anyone in danger. It is not. It is the fleeing.

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I disagree.
This board has had numerous threads about this.
LEO's here and elsewhere have provided me with a different perspective.


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#750165 - 12/30/11 02:22 PM Re: Almost got taken out by a car running from the cops [Re: tallman]  
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If your police have a no pursuit policy, why wouldn't you flee?

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#750182 - 12/30/11 03:20 PM Re: Almost got taken out by a car running from the cops [Re: Quinn]  
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Originally Posted By: Quinn
If your police have a no pursuit policy, why wouldn't you flee?

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Because 95% of us respect authority and pull over.


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#750200 - 12/30/11 04:39 PM Re: Almost got taken out by a car running from the cops [Re: upflying]  
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I think the question being asked, Bob, is that if there is a "no pursuit" policy, doesn't that actually encourage a criminal to take his chances and flee?


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#750221 - 12/30/11 05:43 PM Re: Almost got taken out by a car running from the cops [Re: beemerman2k]  
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I have mixed emotions about this issue. Obviously some LEOs, by virtue of their number of years of experience and/or training and/or intrinsic level of skill, are better equipped for high speed chases than others. But if we trust LEOs to make split second decisions regarding use of their weapons (which can also involve bystander safety) I'm inclined to think that we should also afford them an equal level of trust regarding when to initiate/break off a high speed pursuit.


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#750240 - 12/30/11 08:06 PM Re: Almost got taken out by a car running from the cops [Re: Nice n Easy Rider]  
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The two opposing schools of thought on this both have pros and cons. Allowing serious offenders to avoid justice encourages offenders just as paying ransoms for hostages encourages hostage taking. In the short term the decision to pursue an offender may in fact result in the death of a an innocent victim but make no mistake about it the choice to let offenders escape justice and the overall disrepect for the law that is just one of the results of that decision also comes with a high price..much higher in my opinion.. BTW...I don't pay ransoms either..


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