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#751247 - 01/04/12 03:57 PM Re: How dangerous is motorcycling? [Re: RTJohn]  
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Originally Posted By: RTJohn
I like that! On Sunday the 8th I celebrate two years since I got my motorcycle permit. No accidents! Woo Hoo! clap


Don't get too cocky!

It is said that there are riders that have gone down & there are riders that will go down.


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#751259 - 01/04/12 04:37 PM Re: How dangerous is motorcycling? [Re: ESokoloff]  
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"It is said that there are riders that have gone down & there are riders that will go down."

I guess I'm a member of both groups - and plan to get up again... grin


Age is a issue of mind over matter. If you don't mind, it doesn't matter... (Mark Twain)
Many years and 1 million (s)miles.

'05 R1200GS lotsa miles (sold)
'09 Yamaha Majesty - yes, a scooter
#751276 - 01/04/12 07:00 PM Re: How dangerous is motorcycling? [Re: Paul Mihalka]  
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Hoping tomorrow isn't my day, here's a statistic that can't be twisted much. I've been riding motorcycles for 43 1/2 years and haven't killed myself YET! So if I haven't succeeded in that span of time, how much danger have I been in? Seriously though, safety on a motorcycle takes some skill & judgement IMO. Those that don't get the skill in time are more likely to become a negative statistic no matter what type of bike you ride. cry

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#751277 - 01/04/12 07:05 PM Re: How dangerous is motorcycling? [Re: sardineone]  
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Originally Posted By: sardineone
Hoping tomorrow isn't my day, here's a statistic that can't be twisted much. I've been riding motorcycles for 43 1/2 years and haven't killed myself YET! So if I haven't succeeded in that span of time, how much danger have I been in? Seriously though, safety on a motorcycle takes some skill & judgement IMO. Those that don't get the skill in time are more likely to become a negative statistic no matter what type of bike you ride. cry

I read you and up it... Over 60 years and waaay over a million miles... still doing it... knock on wood dopeslap


Age is a issue of mind over matter. If you don't mind, it doesn't matter... (Mark Twain)
Many years and 1 million (s)miles.

'05 R1200GS lotsa miles (sold)
'09 Yamaha Majesty - yes, a scooter
#751294 - 01/04/12 08:37 PM Re: How dangerous is motorcycling? [Re: beemerman2k]  
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Originally Posted By: beemerman2k
Yes indeed, Skywagon, your data is very informative.


I've seen this publication before and while I do feel there are some very informative information within, I also am rather confused my some of the statements. "Although motorcycles account for only 2% of vehicles on the road, they make up more than 10% of all crashes" kinda makes you think 1 out of 10 crashes will be with a motorcycle. But, I think it is all based on deaths, so 1 out of 10 crashes with deaths involve a motorcycle. "Motorcycles are the most dangerous type of motor vehicle to drive" is misleading. Why not consider a bicycle? No motor, but I think it is more dangerous than a motorcycle in many neighborhoods. The article seems to support a biased opinion that you are crazy to ride a motorcycle.

Maybe it is just me, but I would rather see some of the data than someones statistical interpretation of the data which often is biased to support something. Plus, in order to feel good or bad about these numbers, I would need data for comparison. Like, dangers of walking down a busy street or playing baseball.

I wonder if anyone who does these statistics has considered the fact that more people can get hurt in a car than a motorcycle. My wife's SUV holds eight people and we have filled it with kids and parents many times. Under this case, a single crash is eight times more critical than a solo motorcyclist. Plus, my fully loaded SUV will likely plow right over a sub-compact killing everyone inside, but the motorcyclist won't. Maybe it is all in the statistics, but I can't tell.

So, what to believe? Where to get reliable data? I'd say we could read all these articles AND pay close attention to local crashes and folks you know who have crashed. If one of 100 folks I know who ride similar to me crashed and was hurt, I'd like to know the details. It is the best possible data. Stuff on this forum and other similar forums is decent data, but we all don't know each other that well and we are geographically different. But, still the info is good. Look at it all once in a while and go for a ride and chill.

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#751306 - 01/04/12 09:31 PM Re: How dangerous is motorcycling? [Re: beemerman2k]  
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Yes, risk can be quantified. Insurance company actuaries do it all the time because it is the basis of the insurance industry.

Statistics Y2K from National Safety Council :
http://danger.mongabay.com/injury_death.htm

Quick summary, Top causes of death:

1. Pedestrian 1 in 610 lifetime odds of death
2. Pedal cyclist 1 in 4,838
3. Motorcycle rider 1 in 1295
4. Occupant of three-wheeled motor vehicle 1 in 155,654
5. Car occupant 1 in 242
6. Occupant of pick-up truck or van 1 in 1,095
7. Occupant of heavy transport vehicle 1 in 9,702
8. Bus occupant 1 in 179,003
9. Animal rider or occupant of animal-drawn vehicle 1 in 36,908
10. Occupant of railway train or railway vehicle 1 in 119,335
11. Occupant of streetcar 1 in 3,580,052
12. Other and unspecified land transport accidents 1 in 212


So I guess we should all stop walking, riding bicycles and ride in streetcars or maybe Trikes for safety ! eek

Having just buried my mother who died from Alzheimers dementia, I absolutely can say that there are things much, much worse than death.

If I happen to die instantly doing something I love, that is way, way better than how my mom died.

Life is a terminal illness, give or take the luck of the draw, and we all have a certain amount of time here to do whatever, so using the time wisely is probably a good idea. Stupid choices like drugs, smoking etc. shorten that without any good result.

I fly planes, ride motorcycles and teach MSF courses, teach scuba diving, teach firearms to police, and do a whole bunch of other really neat stuff that is dangerous. I do not jump out of perfectly good airplanes with the wings still attached, much to the great relief of my insurance agent.

When I go, I will have been on and "E" ticket ride here, and will be very interested to see what, if anything, is in the afterlife. I have a great life and motorcycles are an acceptable fun part of it.

Live Long and Prosper thumbsup !


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#751311 - 01/04/12 10:23 PM Re: How dangerous is motorcycling? [Re: EddyQ]  
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Eddy,
You are correcter.
About 1 in 10 vehicle deaths are mc.
And, about 1/2 of them involve no other vehicle/alcohol.


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#751318 - 01/04/12 11:11 PM Re: How dangerous is motorcycling? [Re: KDeline]  
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Risky yes. But a life without risk is dull and boring. Been riding a bike since I was 16 and a licensed white water river guide for 28 years. Both are risky, but both have provided some of the best experiences in my life.
There are degrees of risk and just like in business, the higher risks provide the best rewards. If I was risk adverse, I would sell my bike and whitewater gear and then my bicycle, chainsaw, backpacking gear, fly fishing gear, canoe, boat, my car, power tools, and this could continue to be an endless spiral of risk adversity. Result would be a very dull life.
Hedge the risks with good equipment, good training and a good attitude. And enjoy the life experiences they provide.

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#751375 - 01/05/12 05:20 AM Re: How dangerous is motorcycling? [Re: ka5ysy]  
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Here are some more statistics: ( I couldn't get the table to print correctly, but you get the idea )

The numbers after each activity are: Number of participants - Number of Fatalities per year - and rate per 100,000 participants

Traffic Fatalities: 162,850,000 - 46,000 - 28
Power Boat Racing: 7,000 - 5 - 71
Scuba diving: 300,000 - 140 - 47
Mountaineering: 60,000 - 30 - 50
Boxing: 6,000 - 3 - 50
Homebuilt Airplanes: 8,000 - 25 - 312
General Aviation: 550,000 - 800 - 145
MOTORCYCLES (USA): 6,580,000 - 4,810 - 73
MOTORCYCLES (Utah data): 64,376 - 33 - 51
Sailplane / soaring: 20,000 - 9 - 45
Balloon (Hot air): 4,500 - 3 - 67
Hang Gliding: 25,000 - 10 - 40
SKYDIVING: 110,000 - 28 - 25

So, during the summer, two or three times a week I ride my motorcycle 60 miles one way to the drop zone where I jump out of a perfectly good airplane from 2 1/2 miles up in the air, and make 4 or 5 jumps each trip. Sometimes I jump from a hot air balloon. So what are my odds of getting killed? Do I worry? At my age (64) I figure lots of other things are competing to kill me first. My father dropped dead at work of a heart attack when he was 15 years younger than I am. As an oncologist, I've seen lots of young people die of cancer who didn't smoke, drink alcohol, work with carcinogens, or have any other risk factors other than bad genes and bad luck. As the previous poster mentioned, statistics apply to groups. As an individual, I manage my odds the best I can with proper training, the best equipment, and use caution and good judgement. And then I quit worrying about it and have fun.


Al
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#751379 - 01/05/12 06:26 AM Re: How dangerous is motorcycling? [Re: Quinn]  
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Originally Posted By: Quinn
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Maybe the difference with motorcycling is that it's all good until it isn't...But biking doesn't take a toll until the final bell rings. Other behaviors tip the scales slowly, but biking can go bad quickly.



You make it seem like it's an either/or proposition. Either everything is perfectly fine, or you're dead. In many cases that aren't so black and white, the victims probably at one point wished they were dead. Not every crash victim dies. At least when you're dead, you have no regrets.


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