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#754192 - 01/19/12 01:43 AM Re: Should poor people receive social drivers licenses? [Re: upflying]  
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registration was 9 months past due


Could happen to anyone, la, la la, la la la...

#754195 - 01/19/12 01:50 AM Re: Should poor people receive social drivers licenses? [Re: upflying]  
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What a piece of work this woman is. If she had no priors, and clearly drove with respect for traffic laws, and yet was somehow caught, one might be able to cut her a break. But under these conditions, no way. And her attitude only confirms the unsuitability of her being behind the wheel. Imagine the barrel of excuses she'd offer were she to hit someone? Amazing.


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#754196 - 01/19/12 01:55 AM Re: Should poor people receive social drivers licenses? [Re: yabadabapal]  
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With the budget issues in "big govt" CA, I suspect there is close to zero chance of getting $ aimed at that sort of thing even if there happened to be enough political support- which I also doubt. Any regulatory type of program that lacks a funded enforcement program is worthless anyway.

#754197 - 01/19/12 02:12 AM Re: Should poor people receive social drivers licenses? [Re: upflying]  
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Could driver's caught with the inability to pay traffic fines receive restricted licenses allowing driving only for subsistence reasons? How could that be regulated?

Aren't similar restrictions put on parolees sometimes, or DUI offenders? Regulation would be impossibly expensive, technically easy.

Driver acted like driving was an entitlement, how does one respond to that?

Your response was correct...from start to finish.

Could such drivers pay for fines through volunteer service?

Why not? People get sentenced to "Community Service" for all sorts of things.

Could driver's with unlicensed and uninsured cars receive government subsidy to pay for registration? Is insurance needed when drivers have no assets to protect?

To your first question, yes, they could, of course. But no, they shouldn't, I think. It's a real problem for many in areas with poor public transport, but I've no solution to offer. Yes, insurance is needed: liability insurance. I don't care about whether they (or anyone) protects their own assets.

Unlicensed and uninsured drivers are many more times likely to be involved in a collision as well as a hit and run collision.

Is this statistically accurate?

Is it fair to safe, law abiding motorists for LEO's to knowingly allow and expose them to drivers with suspended licenses?

No. I've been hit twice by uninsured motorists. I didn't like it. I would have liked it a whole lot less if they also had suspended licenses.

You clearly thought your actions through before citing the woman. The 30-day hold is reasonable from your point of view, and from most people's, despite the draconian effect on the woman's life...she'll almost certainly never see the car again, which may make it even more difficult for her to find work, if, of course, she is interested in doing so. This is a tough situation, and you obviously see both sides of the issue.


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#754201 - 01/19/12 02:25 AM Re: Should poor people receive social drivers licenses? [Re: upflying]  
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Another good reason irresponsible people should not even get a license...No license...no suspension...


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#754203 - 01/19/12 02:29 AM Re: Should poor people receive social drivers licenses? [Re: upflying]  
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Truly, some people can't get their act together. While you hate to see them engage in self-destructive behavior, particularly when kids are involved, are we to turn a blind eye? You did the right thing.

A couple days ago I came across a single-car accident. The young woman, totally drunk, had crossed over the centerline, went into a ditch, and rolled her car. She was barely able to stand, but found her keys and was ready to (try to) drive away. When I pulled the keys out of the ignition, she lit into me, accusing me of "f-ing up her life" by calling the cops and not letting her drive away.

"Sorry, darlin'. You did that to yourself."

#754207 - 01/19/12 03:52 AM Re: Should poor people receive social drivers licenses? [Re: upflying]  
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110% on the dot. This is why I am not a cop, I would have tased her just out of annoyance. You have more patience than I. I rally like that 30 day hold idea. If only I could do that with my 3am hammer toe call. Place them on a 30 day NO EMS resriction. Life would be good.


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#754211 - 01/19/12 04:23 AM Re: Should poor people receive social drivers licenses? [Re: Medic Mike]  
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Seems she missed the question on the DMV test..."driving in the State of California is a priviledge, not a right"...

Thanks for at least "temporarily" taking away that right.

Good on ya Bob.

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#754226 - 01/19/12 08:03 AM Re: Should poor people receive social drivers licenses? [Re: Dave McReynolds]  
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Originally Posted By: Dave McReynolds
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I'm not sure why someone's car isn't towed the first time they are caught driving without a license or with a suspended license. Similar to when I read of someone who gets in a wreck and is reported to have 5 or 6 prior DUI's, and I wonder why they weren't locked up for a good long time after their 2nd DUI, and for years longer after their 3rd DUI.

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In the UK, if a car is un-insured, or the driver has no licence, or has no MOT (safety test valid 1 year) or has no road-tax, it is impounded. To release the car a fee has to be paid and the relevant missing items sorted out. If not, after 30 days the car is either crushed or sold.

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#754242 - 01/19/12 01:37 PM Re: Should poor people receive social drivers licenses? [Re: upflying]  
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Inability to pay a fine for one or two tickets? I could see someone going before a judge to make a financial hardship plea that allows a longer payback period.

If traffic citations aren't really about revenue generation, then yes, it ought to be permissible for anyone to work off a traffic ticket through community service. Minimum wage is somewhere around $7.50/hr, so maybe a $150 traffic ticket ought to equate to 20 hours of community service? Maybe we can finally get all the trash picked up from the sides of the highways.

If someone has racked up enough tickets to get their license suspended, then they are a dangerous driver and should not be on the road regardless of financial status.

If someone does not have liability insurance, then they should not be driving.

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Did I do the right thing by towing and citing?


She has half a dozen convictions for driving on a suspended license. Driving without a license isn't a hazard in itself, but for her to have been stopped each time, she must have committed some sort of traffic infraction that was witnessed by a LEO.

Only one day before you stopped her for going the wrong way on a one-way street, she had been stopped for running a red light.

I'm not that concerned about her inability to pay the fines. The bigger issue is that her track record pegs her as a dangerous driver who should not be behind the wheel. If you had let her drive away, it would only be a matter of time before she got into an accident and caused major property damage she couldn't pay for, or injured/killed someone.

IMHO you did the right thing.

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