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#769394 - 04/03/12 03:48 PM Re: Traffic Left Turn Signal [Re: upflying]  
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Originally Posted By: upflying
For a traffic signal that won't change, I would argue California Vehicle Code section 21800 (d)(1) allows you to proceed through the intersection after stopping. For Ca riders, I would keep a copy of this law in your registration and insurance wallet in the unlikely event you are stopped for "running" a red left arrow. Enlightening the officer about the law could go a long way to avoid receiving a stub.

21800. (a) The driver of a vehicle approaching an intersection
shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicle which has entered the
intersection from a different highway.
(b) (1) When two vehicles enter an intersection from different
highways at the same time, the driver of the vehicle on the left
shall yield the right-of-way to the vehicle on his or her immediate
right, except that the driver of any vehicle on a terminating highway
shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicle on the intersecting
continuing highway.
(2) For the purposes of this section, "terminating highway" means
a highway which intersects, but does not continue beyond the
intersection, with another highway which does continue beyond the
intersection.
(c) When two vehicles enter an intersection from different
highways at the same time and the intersection is controlled from all
directions by stop signs, the driver of the vehicle on the left
shall yield the right-of-way to the vehicle on his or her immediate
right.
(d) (1) The driver of any vehicle approaching an intersection
which has official traffic control signals that are inoperative shall
stop at the intersection, and may proceed with caution when it is
safe to do so.

(2) When two vehicles enter an intersection from different
highways at the same time, and the official traffic control signals
for the intersection are inoperative, the driver of the vehicle on
the left shall yield the right-of-way to the vehicle on his or her
immediate right, except that the driver of any vehicle on a
terminating highway shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicle on
the intersecting continuing highway.
(e) This section does not apply to any of the following:
(1) Any intersection controlled by an official traffic control
signal or yield right-of-way sign.

(2) Any intersection controlled by stop signs from less than all
directions.
(3) When vehicles are approaching each other from opposite
directions and the driver of one of the vehicles intends to make, or
is making, a left turn.






Don't you just Legaleze Mumbo Jumbo??

Check out section

(e)1

It seems to perfectly negate section (d)1

I'm so confused (again)

Last edited by BerndM; 04/03/12 03:51 PM.

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#769401 - 04/03/12 04:06 PM Re: Traffic Left Turn Signal [Re: Mister Tee]  
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Originally Posted By: Mister_Tee
I have a tricky light that doesn't trip for me either. I do a lot of riding at zero dark thirty when there is little traffic on the road. A lot of times I can trip the intersection signals (at least straight ahead) by flashing my brights. That often saves me from being stuck at an intersection.


I'm going to try that. Some of the signals have light sensors that are supposed to detect the flashers on emergency vehicles. Maybe I can fool them.

#769434 - 04/03/12 08:12 PM Re: Traffic Left Turn Signal [Re: Robus]  
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Originally Posted By: Robus
Originally Posted By: Mister_Tee
I have a tricky light that doesn't trip for me either. I do a lot of riding at zero dark thirty when there is little traffic on the road. A lot of times I can trip the intersection signals (at least straight ahead) by flashing my brights. That often saves me from being stuck at an intersection.


I'm going to try that. Some of the signals have light sensors that are supposed to detect the flashers on emergency vehicles. Maybe I can fool them.

Just add a MIRT to your bike.
http://www.themirt.com/


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#769450 - 04/03/12 10:21 PM Re: Traffic Left Turn Signal [Re: upflying]  
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Originally Posted By: upflying
Originally Posted By: Robus
Originally Posted By: Mister_Tee
I have a tricky light that doesn't trip for me either. I do a lot of riding at zero dark thirty when there is little traffic on the road. A lot of times I can trip the intersection signals (at least straight ahead) by flashing my brights. That often saves me from being stuck at an intersection.


I'm going to try that. Some of the signals have light sensors that are supposed to detect the flashers on emergency vehicles. Maybe I can fool them.

Just add a MIRT to your bike.
http://www.themirt.com/


If that's legal in Chicago I'll eat my chaps!

#769462 - 04/03/12 11:28 PM Re: Traffic Left Turn Signal [Re: Robus]  
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Originally Posted By: Robus
Originally Posted By: upflying
Originally Posted By: Robus
Originally Posted By: Mister_Tee
I have a tricky light that doesn't trip for me either. I do a lot of riding at zero dark thirty when there is little traffic on the road. A lot of times I can trip the intersection signals (at least straight ahead) by flashing my brights. That often saves me from being stuck at an intersection.


I'm going to try that. Some of the signals have light sensors that are supposed to detect the flashers on emergency vehicles. Maybe I can fool them.

Just add a MIRT to your bike.
http://www.themirt.com/


If that's legal in Chicago I'll eat my chaps!

It's probably not legal anywhere but it sounds pretty covert and hard to detect. As some say, it's only illegal if you get caught.


Bob
Reno,NV

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#769623 - 04/05/12 12:05 AM Re: Traffic Left Turn Signal [Re: upflying]  
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Local news story down here in San Diego about one of the small local cities getting complaints from everyone about how short the signal lights were during rush hour and how bad traffic was getting. Seems to me the news anchor said it took about 3 months but they tracked down the car/clown who was causing the problems. Turns out he had one of these "mirts" and found it installed behind the grill. Big fines, lots of P.Od drivers.


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#770568 - 04/10/12 04:30 AM Re: Traffic Left Turn Signal [Re: Dave Wood]  
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Check your rearview...
Many intersection are not equipped with sensors that will detect the strobe. Usually they are most common around fire stations to expedite exit from the station.

As for the traffic signal sensors, I've found that slapping the center stand down with my left heel, seems to do a good job on the problem left turn signal in the area where I conduct most of my enforcement.


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#770710 - 04/10/12 10:13 PM Re: Traffic Left Turn Signal [Re: Bill1948]  
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Originally Posted By: MotorinLA
Many intersection are not equipped with sensors that will detect the strobe. Usually they are most common around fire stations to expedite exit from the station.

As for the traffic signal sensors, I've found that slapping the center stand down with my left heel, seems to do a good job on the problem left turn signal in the area where I conduct most of my enforcement.

What's your opinion of CVC 21800 (d)(1) for riding through a red left arrow that won't change?
I know what the law was intended for but it seems to fit in this circumstance too. All depends on how the LEO/judge defines "inoperative".

Last edited by upflying; 04/10/12 10:15 PM.

Bob
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#771712 - 04/15/12 06:07 AM Re: Traffic Left Turn Signal [Re: upflying]  
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CalTrans is installing a new overpass on SR99 in my town here in CA. Two new traffic lights near the off-ramp are controlled by radar sensors mounted at the top of the pipe holding the lights.

My TPS radar detector on the bike starts screaming each time I get within sight of each light. It gets a bit annoying at times when I have to sit and wait for the light to change! smirk

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