Whooosh Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 There's gotta be a way, right? I did search the history for clues and came up empty handed. I'm sure I have to start by restoring everything to it's original factory setting. But then what? Pair the Sena's first, or Audio System to the NAV V? iPhone to the NAV V, then Audio to the NAV V? You see my quandry? Has anyone figured this out; surely someone has? Thanks, for any help! Link to comment
gordiet Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 I had the same problem. Just call Sena and they will walk you through the process. Very good company when it comes to needing help GT Link to comment
Mike Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 My confession: I got my RT several months ago and have been saving this project for the winter months. Link to comment
Skywagon Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 (edited) this should do it.... works for me. Just stop short of connecting SENA headset if you don't have one. Edited August 30, 2016 by Skywagon Link to comment
moshe_levy Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 (edited) I struggled with this and succeeded. Today, I think it was a TOTAL waste of time. A total....waste....of.....time. I'm going to write an article soon about GPS apps which exist, right now, for your phone. They are superior in every way to the GPS on the bike, namely in the ability to program a nice route within 2 minutes instead of wasting time with Basecamp, etc. Once you have that down, and you can completely control your phone via the comm (including telling Siri to play music, play sat radio, etc.) then tell me what we need a GPS on the bike for, or what we need this complicated connection scheme for? The answer so far as I see it is: Nothing. Anyone can connect the phone to GPS within 1 minute. Anyone can program a beautiful route in Inroute app in 2 minutes. None of the hassle, and all of the benefit. I'm sorry I bought the bike's GPS. -MKL Edited August 30, 2016 by moshe_levy Link to comment
marcopolo Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Could not disagree more about phone GPS vs. a stand-alone Garmin device (like the Nav V). I just got back from a two-week vacation in Southern California. This was a fly, and rent a car trip, not a motorcycle trip. I had intended on bringing my Nav V and its car mount, but forgot it at home. During this sixteen-day trip, we used our iPhones for navigation. We used Google maps, Waze and Apple maps. In my view, not one was as good as my Nav V, and I cursed under my breath every time I thought about leaving my Nav V at home. In any event, each to his own, but it seems most people are frustrated with the pairing dance on their new RTs. I have a new GSA, so I guess I'm spared a bit of this, but I still pair my iPhone, Sena 10S and my Nav V. It works. And for good measure, I also use a Sena Prism, so you can add that to the Bluetooth mix. Link to comment
hopz Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 (edited) Whoosh... The pairing process is one of those things that just "ought" to be pretty straight forward and strangely enough it is- once you break the code. I had the same difficulty you are having. The good news is that you can do it, and it is not that hard once you figure it out. There are four resources on how to do what you want. 1. There is the BMW Manual way which is even more obscure than the others. 2. There is the Sena method which is really good and fortunately the tech support guys are easy to work with. 3. There is the Garmin OEM support team. They were as confused as the rest of us when the '14 came out, but they really know their stuff now. When you call Garmin Tech support. 800-800-1020... ask the first one you connect with to transfer you to OEM support. They have been trained on the Nav 5 and how it interfaces with the BMW. 4. The video recommended above... a.k.a. the "RKA Method/Video" is reliable, and it works. This is the resource that I use and it is as easy as the guy shows on the video. The good news is that the system will work- once you figure out the "pairing dance". The system will work as long as you do it correctly. After the successful pairing(s) have been achieved you can expect it to work every time. You do not have to re-pair for every ride as long as there is nothing that has been disturbed since the last ride. Note: I think the sequence of preparing for a ride is also important. By this I mean... if you do the Ride-Start-Up the same way every time, it works. After a successful pairing set-up it will work every time you ride... you will not have to do the dance every time. But. If anything is disturbed you may have to do the pairing dance again... this means if there is a software update from Garmin you may need to re-pair again, or if the battery on the bike is removed, or etc... Get it to work once and it will work every time as long as the system is not "changed". The Sena will remember all its settings as well- thank goodness. I recommend the RKA method as listed above. It works. Learn how to do it that way then Write It Down as a note as your future re-pairing method. Edited August 30, 2016 by hopz Link to comment
moshe_levy Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Could not disagree more about phone GPS vs. a stand-alone Garmin device (like the Nav V). I just got back from a two-week vacation in Southern California. This was a fly, and rent a car trip, not a motorcycle trip. I had intended on bringing my Nav V and its car mount, but forgot it at home. During this sixteen-day trip, we used our iPhones for navigation. We used Google maps, Waze and Apple maps. In my view, not one was as good as my Nav V, and I cursed under my breath every time I thought about leaving my Nav V at home. In any event, each to his own, but it seems most people are frustrated with the pairing dance on their new RTs. I have a new GSA, so I guess I'm spared a bit of this, but I still pair my iPhone, Sena 10S and my Nav V. It works. And for good measure, I also use a Sena Prism, so you can add that to the Bluetooth mix. I get that, but I'm not talking about Google Maps, Apples Maps, Waze, etc. I'm talking about dedicated GPS apps which can do basically anything you want, at a fraction of the cost and complexity. Let me work out this article - then you read it and try - and let me know what you think. I believe you'll be surprised. -MKL Link to comment
DaveCinNO Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 While I'm not sure the phone apps will replace a dedicated GPS on a bike the apps are in my opinion very nice. I use Garmin apps for the US, Canada and Eastern Europe and that's all I use when not on the bike. Creating routes on the fly is easy but the only downside I've found is saving several routes for use later. But for cage travel that isn't an issue for me. I actually have the phone app and my GPS on the bike as the phone app shows speed limits and is zoomed in close and I leave the old Garmin 276c zoomed out more for a big picture. Didn't mean to hijack a Sena syncing thread but wanted to add my 2 cents Link to comment
marcopolo Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Could not disagree more about phone GPS vs. a stand-alone Garmin device (like the Nav V). I just got back from a two-week vacation in Southern California. This was a fly, and rent a car trip, not a motorcycle trip. I had intended on bringing my Nav V and its car mount, but forgot it at home. During this sixteen-day trip, we used our iPhones for navigation. We used Google maps, Waze and Apple maps. In my view, not one was as good as my Nav V, and I cursed under my breath every time I thought about leaving my Nav V at home. In any event, each to his own, but it seems most people are frustrated with the pairing dance on their new RTs. I have a new GSA, so I guess I'm spared a bit of this, but I still pair my iPhone, Sena 10S and my Nav V. It works. And for good measure, I also use a Sena Prism, so you can add that to the Bluetooth mix. I get that, but I'm not talking about Google Maps, Apples Maps, Waze, etc. I'm talking about dedicated GPS apps which can do basically anything you want, at a fraction of the cost and complexity. Let me work out this article - then you read it and try - and let me know what you think. I believe you'll be surprised. -MKL OK, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and will wait to read it. That said, I still think there's a big difference between a dedicated moto GPS and a smart phone, regardless of the App one might be using on a phone. For example, I have an iPhone 6, and its screen is virtually unreadable outside in broad daylight. It's also not waterproof (and I have no interest in mounting it inside some kind of box). In general, I'm just not interested in mounting my $750 phone on my bike. But, I'll still read your article. P.S., I've used Basecamp for Mac since 2010, and I find it easy to use. I guess I'm firmly in the camp of, if it ain't broke, don't fix it (obviously, I'm in the "ain't broke" camp). Now, I guess we've really hijacked this thread. Link to comment
Skywagon Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 As HOPZ says mine works everytime now. Each time I get on the bike, I turn on the key and let it normalize before I do anything....takes about 15 seconds; then I turn on the SENA and all is good. I took the above video, translated the steps to a note card I keep in my tank bag in case I have a problem when I'm out. I wouldn't remember all the steps in sequence, but have them with me all the time just in case. Link to comment
moshe_levy Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 I also used Hopz' advice to pair last year - it worked like a charm. But remember that you are then going through the GPS. Your phone is not really under your voice control via the comm anymore, at least as I have it. I am finding out that this is an ENORMOUS limitation on long trips. -MKL Link to comment
Antimatter Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 I'm looking forward to the article, however all of the apps that I've tried so far require cellular data to work. And, here in the Midwest there are places where you can't get data from time to time. That's the reason I've hung on to my dedicated GPS devices, although I do wish that the manufacturers would up their game route planning and the interface. Link to comment
EddyQ Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 I struggled with this and succeeded. Today, I think it was a TOTAL waste of time. A total....waste....of.....time. I'm going to write an article soon about GPS apps which exist, right now, for your phone. They are superior in every way to the GPS on the bike, namely in the ability to program a nice route within 2 minutes instead of wasting time with Basecamp, etc. I can hardly wait Moshe! My Garmin needs a replacement and it isn't going to be another Garmin. They have great technical support, but they need it! Plus, their technology is horrid. I have not tried any alternatives. But I am eyeing Scenic. Link Link to comment
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