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#1001615 - 11/28/17 03:00 PM Re: 2017 RT Heated Seat not working [Re: skyking1]  
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So the clues are some do and some don't heat well which might be affecting '17 and '18 models but so far '16 and older seem to be working. Also, one dealer that says its the computer & and maybe other unnamed parts. One other piece of info here is that when I first installed my heated Sargent I thought it had malfunctioned when testing after the install as I put it on high (5 bars) and it was warming fast but then seemed to cool off. Since then I have only needed 3 or less bars when setting my butt on the saddle as the seat gets too hot above that setting and I have never had the issue again. Passanger heat has been good with either OEM or Sarget saddle. (which reminds me I was going to contact Sargent and ask if there have been shut down issues with their heated saddle on wet heads).

A wild SWAG might be that some heating elements may be drawing current above the specification for the circuit and the computer shuts it down, or maybe the current threshold for this circuit on late models was set too close to the maximum current draw allowed and shuts down.

What might be interesting is if there was any code fault noted for those taking their bike in for a dealer check.

Inquiring minds want to know!


If the good old days were so damn good, why did we bother to invent modern times?

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#1001638 - 11/28/17 10:49 PM Re: 2017 RT Heated Seat not working [Re: Paul De]  
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Originally Posted by Paul De
(which reminds me I was going to contact Sargent and ask if there have been shut down issues with their heated saddle on wet heads).

A wild SWAG might be that some heating elements may be drawing current above the specification for the circuit and the computer shuts it down, or maybe the current threshold for this circuit on late models was set too close to the maximum current draw allowed and shuts down.

What might be interesting is if there was any code fault noted for those taking their bike in for a dealer check.

Inquiring minds want to know!


I'm curious too. I recently put a set of (lightly used) Sargent heated seats on my 2014 RT. Haven't been able to get any heat out of the Sargent seat yet.


Scott Wilson
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#1001640 - 11/29/17 12:17 AM Re: 2017 RT Heated Seat not working [Re: skyking1]  
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Mine a 16 and the seats will get uncomfortably hot if turn them on high.
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#1001839 - 12/03/17 02:57 AM Re: 2017 RT Heated Seat not working [Re: Bernie]  
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Bernie's question on heating above 55. Bernie.......... I did a long ride today. The ambient temperature was 75 degrees. I turned on my seat heater and hand grips to assist with your question. Seat and grips both heated up...so at least mine aren't governed by temp.


David
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#1001840 - 12/03/17 03:02 AM Re: 2017 RT Heated Seat not working [Re: Skywagon]  
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Thank you David.
Bike is at the dealer since Thursday, he will try to find a answer to the problem.
I really would like it to work, as winter is just beginning and I had planned to get a few rides in this winter.


Bernie
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2007 R1200RT, Double Silver 188,700 Smiles, SOLD
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#1001850 - 12/03/17 06:02 AM Re: 2017 RT Heated Seat not working [Re: skyking1]  
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Brandinew m/c having all bells and whistles working is a non negotiable. Hope you get it back ASAP. Rode my bike Friday high 40s to low 50s and had both seat and grips on 1-2 bars. Both were warm before I pulled out of the drive.

Would love to hear what the dealer says the issue is... and it better not be "they all do that"!


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#1001915 - 12/04/17 09:37 AM Re: 2017 RT Heated Seat not working [Re: Bernie]  
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Originally Posted by Bernie
...dealer since Thursday, he will try to find a answer to the problem.

Yes, I'd love to know the nitty gritty, because I think I will need to be doing exactly the same thing.

#1002332 - 12/14/17 01:32 AM Re: 2017 RT Heated Seat not working [Re: AndyS]  
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Ok guys here is the update on the Heated Seat problem.
My bike is a 2018 and it was delivered with standard heated seats from BMW and the dealer too me.
These seats are to my surprise very comfortable. My last 290,000 miles have been on BMW's with Sargent seats.
Well, this seat is almost more comfortable than my past Sargent seats. BUT, it takes a very long time before the heat is noticeable through the seat.
The dealer has tested everything using testers and computer, he switched seats with another 2018 RT. No good. They know it is using power and the elements are heating.
The problem is that either due to the location of the element or the amount of padding on top of the element, you can almost not feel the heat.
The dealer has contacted BMW is waiting for advise. I know this much, it will be cheaper to buy a pair of electric pants than having to buy a heated Sargent seat.


Bernie
Jax, FL
2018 R1200RT, Alpinweiss, starting out fresh.
2007 R1200RT, Double Silver 188,700 Smiles, SOLD
2000 R1100RT, Opal 104,000 Smiles, SOLD
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#1002334 - 12/14/17 02:58 AM Re: 2017 RT Heated Seat not working [Re: Bernie]  
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Bernie...that is interesting. When the 14's came out one of the common problems was the heat got too hot even on low.....hmmmm lot's of complaints. Someone on this board, I forgot who, advised me when I was having my Russell Seat made to ask them to put the wire deeper into the foam. Russell thought I was nuts, but they did it. It works great where it is for me.

I think BMW may have over-rotated with all the complaint from the early LC's...Before I would buy a new seat to fix this, I would seek out a local seat builder and see if they have the skills and a decent price to open the seat and move your element up....that's provided BMW gives you the old works as designed speech. I would wait on BMW first as maybe they will do it for you.

If you have a comfortable BMW seat...you are in rare air and would count my lucky starts. Good luck and keep us posted.

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#1002336 - 12/14/17 03:52 AM Re: 2017 RT Heated Seat not working [Re: skyking1]  
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Interesting thread......I have a 2017 RT and the seat takes forever to get warm. Outside temp was 41.2 F when I turned the seat heat to level 5. After 68.1 miles I began to feel heat. It got warm but not really hot and worked the remaining part of the ride. It definitely doesn't work as well as it did on my 2008 RT.


2000 LTC 90600 miles KIA (new)
2003 LTE 164188 miles Silver (Purchased with 1687)
2008 R1200RT 176196 miles (Purchased with 16458)
2017 R1200RT 41490 miles (new)
Total BMW miles 454,329


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