fourteenfour Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) http://www.mcnews.com.au/harley-davidson-pan-america-1250/ Will miracles never cease! Well not now, but by 2020 Livewire https://www.hotbikeweb.com/harley-davidson-announces-livewire-electric-motorcycle-2019 Streetfighter , all new line of engines https://www.cycleworld.com/harley-davidson-to-build-adventure-motorcycles-streetfighters-and-electric-bicycles-following-2019?src=SOC&dom=fb Edited July 30, 2018 by CommuterChris Link to comment
realshelby Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 I sure hope that headlight area doesn't make it into production! Link to comment
dirtrider Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 At least it looks like they are going to tubeless spoked rims (that is good feature) but with that LOW mounted short front fender it isn't going very far off-road in the mud. Link to comment
TEWKS Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Looks a little Rokon-Ish. them for the effort though. Now that streetfighter is something sexy! Pat Link to comment
Dennis Andress Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) So, does it weigh, like 900 lbs? And that face! It may be uglier than the R1200 ST! Edited July 30, 2018 by Dennis Andress Link to comment
mrzoom Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Hey my 1966 XLCH was advertised as "off road capable" My old boss rode his in the Jack Pine off road enduro in Michigan with little more that a higher front fender. In fact he rode it to the event and home again. Real times, real men, real bikes. Link to comment
Bud Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) Looks like they are trying to stay in business. As off-road capable as my 1970 Honda 160 "Scrambler" with the high pipes. Edited July 30, 2018 by Bud Link to comment
John in VA Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 I can picture a Harley adventure rider on that bike wearing a do-rag, wraparound sunglasses, fringed chaps, leather vest, holstered sidearm, and smoking a Lucky Strike. Link to comment
Antimatter Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 I said this on another web site: it's too bad for HD that KTM got there five years ago. Link to comment
Bill_Walker Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Re the Streetfighter: Harley-Davidson introduces an updated Buell XB9! I like it, though. But I also liked the XB9. H-D announces a new Sport Bike! Link to comment
Joe Frickin' Friday Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 http://www.mcnews.com.au/harley-davidson-pan-america-1250/ Will miracles never cease! Well not now, but by 2020 Livewire https://www.hotbikeweb.com/harley-davidson-announces-livewire-electric-motorcycle-2019 Streetfighter , all new line of engines https://www.cycleworld.com/harley-d...cycles-following-2019?src=SOC&dom=fb Harley's sense of style just doesn't light my fire. Somehow I find myself thinking of "The Homer:" Link to comment
fourteenfour Posted July 30, 2018 Author Share Posted July 30, 2018 Got to admit, that Streetfighter is just amazing, even more so considering whose badge is on the tank Link to comment
walton66 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) As someone already pointed out, both of these are years late to the market. The street fighter with the Vrod motor a few years ago would have been something I might have gone for. I fear the ADV wave may have passed them when they are still paddling out. We'll see. Edited July 30, 2018 by bwpsg42 Link to comment
eddd Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 You have to assume they've done extensive market research, but I just don't see a big demand in the US for either of the two being discussed here...maybe the overseas buyer is the real target? Link to comment
OoPEZoO Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 I'm watching that Livewire electric bike more. If the price isn't absurd (and I expect to be ridiculously over priced), I would consider it as my next bike. Link to comment
TEWKS Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Keith, can get ya a two for one right here. Little steep but ripping up the neighborhood at midnight, priceless! Pat Link to comment
Rick Ward Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 They had a two stroke back in the '70's; it didn't farewell. Link to comment
Dennis Andress Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Aside from the hipster styling the Streetfighter could have the basics of what I've always wanted: An American made sport touring bike. Harley could compete with the RT, if they wanted to. Link to comment
RTinNC Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 I love that Harley is trying to move forward and out of the stereotype Harley product line. Let's face it if Harley succeeds it is just good for motorcycling. I like the Live Wire and would be interested in that ADV bike. And no one can touch the Harley dealer network. Link to comment
Lone_RT_rider Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 They had a two stroke back in the '70's; it didn't farewell. Rick, if you are talking about the dirt bike that Pat posted and you look really close you will notice that's an Alta electric bike. If I missed what you were getting at, I apologize in advance. Shawn Link to comment
Groanup Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 I'm just happy to see they are finally going to make a bike with the foot pegs in the right place. I have never been comfortable riding with my legs stretched out in front of me... Maybe I'll consider Harley when I'm ready for my next bike. (in ten years...) Link to comment
Bill_Walker Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 And no one can touch the Harley dealer network. Except that they were utterly terrible at selling Buells. It's going to take a lot to get their hidebound sales force to come around to selling non-cruiser bikes. Of course, this time around, the future of the MoCo may depend on their doing so, so that might provide a little added incentive to broaden their outlook. Link to comment
Bill_Walker Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 You have to assume they've done extensive market research, but I just don't see a big demand in the US for either of the two being discussed here...maybe the overseas buyer is the real target? Based on another of their press releases (as interpreted by MO), you would seem to have it right: "The new adventure-touring and streetfighter/standard models are a recognition of the strong demand these segments have in Europe, and will be a key element of Harley-Davidson's plans to grow overseas. Harley-Davidson estimates this segment accounts for sales of 273,000 in 2017 model sales in Europe, none of which currently bear the bar and shield." More Roads to Harley-Davidson Link to comment
Hank in WV Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Still needs a bunch of conches and streamers in the handgrips. Link to comment
RTinNC Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Still needs a bunch of conches and streamers in the handgrips. Not to worry I am sure Touratech will provide them Link to comment
Lone_RT_rider Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Still needs a bunch of conches and streamers in the handgrips. Not to worry I am sure Touratech will provide them At three times the current going rate. Link to comment
RTinNC Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Still needs a bunch of conches and streamers in the handgrips. Not to worry I am sure Touratech will provide them At three times the current going rate. Only those with the HD logo on them. But they will come only in orange and black :-) Link to comment
dirtrider Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 For the Harley Electron chasers-- https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/motorcycles/future-vehicles/livewire.html?source_cd=SEM_Retention_PPC&_cr=ppc%7cGoogle%7cFuture_Vehicles%7cElectric_Motorcycle_Brand%7charley%20electric%20bike&gclid=EAIaIQobChMInKng3bXJ3AIVhLfACh1YRQBiEAAYASAAEgKK1fD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds Link to comment
Paul De Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Man-o-man. The fairing nose on the adventure bike looks like an mini version Road Glide shark nose, but even a bit uglier! It seems that the boat tail gene lives on at the design center! http://www.sporty-ironheads.com/ironhead_1971/1971_Harley_XLH_Boattail_Sportster_by_Jim.php Street fighter looks promising. But I can't help but wonder how much further HD would along to already be in the EU market with a top tier sport bike if they hand't killed off Buell. Wonder how POed Erik might be to see that after HD killed growth in his division by forcing him to use Sportster motors until it was too late, put a fork in him in the last resession and now have this new grand strategy to create a sport bike by co-opting his designs and wrapping it around their low cost Chinese made unitized water cooled motor. We'll never know what might have been, but I can imagine it would be a darn worthy offering if they actually nurtured the Buell division And no one can touch the Harley dealer network. Except that they were utterly terrible at selling Buells. It's going to take a lot to get their hidebound sales force to come around to selling non-cruiser bikes. Of course, this time around, the future of the MoCo may depend on their doing so, so that might provide a little added incentive to broaden their outlook. +++1 HD never properly promoted Buell and most dealers just pushed them into a corner and hoped they would sell themselves. There was only one dealer I know of in the area that did a credible job and that was because they had a number of employees that raced bikes working in sales and service functions. Link to comment
RTinNC Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Man-o-man. The fairing nose on the adventure bike looks like an mini version Road Glide shark nose, but even a bit uglier! It seems that the boat tail gene lives on at the design center! http://www.sporty-ironheads.com/ironhead_1971/1971_Harley_XLH_Boattail_Sportster_by_Jim.php Street fighter looks promising. But I can't help but wonder how much further HD would along to already be in the EU market with a top tier sport bike if they hand't killed off Buell. Wonder how POed Erik might be to see that after HD killed growth in his division by forcing him to use Sportster motors until it was too late, put a fork in him in the last resession and now have this new grand strategy to create a sport bike by co-opting his designs and wrapping it around their low cost Chinese made unitized water cooled motor. We'll never know what might of been, but I can imagine it would be a darn worthy offering if they actually nurtured the Buell division And no one can touch the Harley dealer network. Except that they were utterly terrible at selling Buells. It's going to take a lot to get their hidebound sales force to come around to selling non-cruiser bikes. Of course, this time around, the future of the MoCo may depend on their doing so, so that might provide a little added incentive to broaden their outlook. +++1 HD never properly promoted Buell and most dealers just pushed them into a corner and hoped they would sell themselves. There was only one dealer I know of in the area that did a credible job and that was because they had a number of employees that raced bikes working in sales and service functions. I totally agree! Most Harley dealers viewed Buells as the red haired stepchild. Today I can only hope that Harley dealers understand their survival depends on their ability to embrace the change in their brand and product line. Link to comment
elkroeger Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Needs highway pegs and some ape hangers. Link to comment
Rob Nowell Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 wondering what 45's tariffs will do to all these plans... Link to comment
Bud Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 When I was in Mt. Vernon, IL last week, I noticed the HD dealer had a banner about test rides. Big change from their previous sales practice. A sign that they are trying to figure out a way to stay viable in a changing marketplace. Link to comment
roadscholar Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 wondering what 45's tariffs will do to all these plans... Who cares, if 40 hadn't enacted substantial tarriffs on Japanese bikes over 700cc there's an even chance Harley wouldn't have made it out of the 80's, it wasn't the only thing that helped but it gave them a jump-start they needed. They were teetering on the brink. I was a Yamaha dealer in the early to mid-80's and recall the market share numbers from then. Honda 43%, Yamaha, 22%, Kawasaki, Suzuki 14-17% each, Harley 5-7%, BMW 2%, then all the others. https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/motorcycle-tariffs-and-harley-davidson Link to comment
RTinNC Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Harley has certainly been through and survived some tough times. They have always worked hard to survive and I suspect will do the same here. Back in the AMF days when the bikes were awful they started HOG and Willie G hit the road to build support. THAT was a tough time but a smart decision. Then when they bought the company back they did ask for tariffs on the Japanese bikes being dumped in the US ... BUT they also asked that the tariffs be lifted before they were supposed to be. I hope they survive as will not only be good for Harley but for the industry. Link to comment
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