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#1016108 - 08/04/18 08:21 PM Re: BMW Motorrad ADVANTEC Ultimate [Re: RTinNC]  
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Originally Posted by RTinNC


Nope ... they just have a coupon that you add to the order and reduces by 20%. No subscription to anything.

And for the OCD types like me who change the oil about every 2500 to 3000 miles it is truly a bargain!


It absolutely required me sign up to Subscribe & Save, which as I say, one can do and get out of. And they change these offerings by the day sometimes in fact just now the 20% coupon is not more. And likely change them according to who's looking and when ;o)

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#1016109 - 08/04/18 08:50 PM Re: BMW Motorrad ADVANTEC Ultimate [Re: Cohiba54]  
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Correct/ The 20% coupon is not there today. But every time I have used the coupon it required NO sign up. I have done it a few times and never signed up for anything. You just have to watch Amazon for the offers.


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'16 R1200RTW - Platinum Bronze Metallic
'12 R1200GSA - Magma Red - (my 1150GS replacement)

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#1016126 - 08/05/18 04:06 AM Re: BMW Motorrad ADVANTEC Ultimate [Re: RTinNC]  
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Originally Posted by RTinNC
Correct/ The 20% coupon is not there today. But every time I have used the coupon it required NO sign up. I have done it a few times and never signed up for anything. You just have to watch Amazon for the offers.


Ed I believe you, but you're not believing me presumably because you haven't seen their offer structured that way, which is how it was presented yesterday. I've decided to follow thru w/ trying Liqui Moly for one change and bought a 4 liter jug on Amazon for $50.95 w/ free shipping and no sales tax from a 3rd party associate. Even at that price it's $23 cheaper than BMW Advantec Ultimate. I typically go 5K miles between changes.

#1016127 - 08/05/18 04:53 AM Re: BMW Motorrad ADVANTEC Ultimate [Re: NoelCP]  
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Originally Posted by NoelCP
Originally Posted by RTinNC
Correct/ The 20% coupon is not there today. But every time I have used the coupon it required NO sign up. I have done it a few times and never signed up for anything. You just have to watch Amazon for the offers.


Ed I believe you, but you're not believing me presumably because you haven't seen their offer structured that way, which is how it was presented yesterday. I've decided to follow thru w/ trying Liqui Moly for one change and bought a 4 liter jug on Amazon for $50.95 w/ free shipping and no sales tax from a 3rd party associate. Even at that price it's $23 cheaper than BMW Advantec Ultimate. I typically go 5K miles between changes.


I do believe you and have seen the offers you are suggesting. I have avoided those. And not sure why or when the 20% offers appear but when I see them I usually buy a box of 6. And even better the MOA had a deal for a 25% off discount which I took advantage of as well. But I don't only buy the cheapest oil I can find I usually try and find the best deal on oil that meets the BMW specs. In my 2012 GSA camhead I had been using BMW dino oil again getting it on Amazon for a good price. But when they stopped making it in 10-40 I switched to Bel-Ray that I can get from Revzilla. It meets all the BMW camhead specs.


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'12 R1200GSA - Magma Red - (my 1150GS replacement)

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#1016414 - 08/08/18 01:50 PM Re: BMW Motorrad ADVANTEC Ultimate [Re: lkraus]  
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Originally Posted by lkraus
Originally Posted by Alfred02
...As of August 01-08-2018, Liqui Moly does not yet have their 5-40 on the official Jaso List. But they seem to have every other weight listed in the Jaso MA2 list...


The JASO MA oil list is useful, but not all-inclusive.

The JASO standard is here: JASO T 903:2016 Implementation Manual

To have an oil appear on the list, oil suppliers run their own tests, send a form (and a fee of about ~$360.00) to JASO stating that they have tested their oil according to JASO procedures, and that the oil meets JASO friction specs. JASO can request the actual test results if they wish, and can publish a list of oils meeting the MA specs, if they wish.

The JASO panel does not actually test the oil, or even see it, they take the suppliers word that the specs have been met.

Suppliers are encouraged to go through this formality, but they can claim compliance with the MA2 spec without submitting the paperwork. Note that neither BMW-labelled oil nor Rotella T6 appear on the list.



Ok, so I took the PDF "JASO MA oil list" you linked to Ikraus and exported to Excel. One should be able to sort and or filter out the specific oil specification and find a manufacture.

Well I tried adding the Excel (73kb) file and got this.
"This file type is blocked. The file types you can attach are: .txt,.jpg,.png,.zip,.mps,.gif,.gdb,.gpx "
Anyone have a yaw to attach an Excel file?
Did get a "zip" of the excel loaded

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4T_EV_LIST2018.zip (3 downloads)
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#1016418 - 08/08/18 02:59 PM Re: BMW Motorrad ADVANTEC Ultimate [Re: Cohiba54]  
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Well I am not sure how up to date that list is that Ikarus pointed us to, but it does not list any Castrol products as MA2 certified despite it being shown in the pictures (above)!

#1016420 - 08/08/18 03:25 PM Re: BMW Motorrad ADVANTEC Ultimate [Re: AndyS]  
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Originally Posted by AndyS
Well I am not sure how up to date that list is that Ikarus pointed us to, but it does not list any Castrol products as MA2 certified despite it being shown in the pictures (above)!

PDF has a date as of 01.08.2018 and you are correct Castrol is not in the list. Yet I have 8 quarts of Casrtol Power 1 (SAE 5W-40, API SL / JASO MA2) that I got last weekend at Oryllie's, go figure!

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'02 R1150R
'00 K1200LT
'88 Concourse
'72 Bonnie 650 Chopper
'72 CB750K stolen
'69 SL350K gave it back to my buddy
'70 CT70 I don't remember but it was fun
#1016427 - 08/08/18 04:33 PM Re: BMW Motorrad ADVANTEC Ultimate [Re: Cohiba54]  
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That is why the "list" is useless. I think we make WAY more out of JASO specs than the real world requires. In Layman terms there is almost no oil heavier than 5-30 that has the stuff in it to damage wet clutches. The oil we use is heavier than 5-30.

Since I try to not let stuff like this brainwash me, I still have to say I am unhappy that Rotella T-6 is no longer API certified. API and CK certifications are important to the engine and sensors it uses.

I have used BMW oil, Liqui-Moly, and T-6. They all shift about the same. Oil sample from Blackstone on the T-6 indicates the engine is very happy on it. The difference is availability and cost. T-6 was less than half the cost and available everywhere!

#1016429 - 08/08/18 05:47 PM Re: BMW Motorrad ADVANTEC Ultimate [Re: Cohiba54]  
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I guess I am just a lucky one with no shifting issues whatsoever on my RTW. It shifts better than any BMW boxer I have owned which include '97 R1100RT, '02 R1150GS, '06 R1200RT, '12 R1200GSA and of course my current '16 R1200RTW. The gear boxes just seem to be getting better and better. So since Castrol works for me and is approved specs and is a good price I do not try to fix for me what ain't broke.


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'12 R1200GSA - Magma Red - (my 1150GS replacement)

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#1016432 - 08/08/18 06:26 PM Re: BMW Motorrad ADVANTEC Ultimate [Re: RTinNC]  
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Originally Posted by RTinNC
I guess I am just a lucky one with no shifting issues whatsoever on my RTW.


Same same Ed--shifting has been fine as far as the transmission goes.

I just did an oil change and I will say I did notice something I hadn't noticed previously. I had about 4900m on my last change and for quite a while, I'm not sure how many 100's of miles, when I let out the clutch in 1st from a standstill it would quite regularly 'snatch' at a certain point unless I was very careful to slip the clutch a little more than one should need to to get a smooth engagement. Since changing oil a few hundred miles ago that behavior has vanished. So I'm thinking I should pay attention to how many miles on this new oil change before this behavior returns. It's the same Advantec Ultimate oil I just as I say never noticed really when that behavior started previously.

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