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#1000239 - 11/05/17 03:11 AM Re: R 1200RT clutch job bits & pieces [Re: dduelin]  
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Hi Dave

When I did mine, I disconnected the rear brake line at the modulator as per instruction in the BMW repair manual with no issue.
I think that it will be more work to leave the rear caliper and hose attached to the front due to the way the the line is routed.
You have to do a rear brake bleed after you reassemble the bike of course.

As for the drive shaft. I don't suggest disconnecting from the FD spline.
You will not be able to reconnect the frame if the drive shaft is not properly connected to the rear spline, (The shaft will block the sub frame from moving forward because there will not be enough room for it at the other end)
It will be extremely hard to engage it on the rear spline while trying to put the sub frame back together at the same time. (I could not do it.)


Like I mentioned earlier, I ended up reassembling the sub frame without the drive shaft and had to remove the swing arm later in order to reinstall it.
You can't open the FD to get the shaft through when reassembling because you need the rear wheel to support the rear frame while moving it.


Daniel

If you can park it, and not turn around to admire it before walking away, you bought the wrong one.
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MOA # 171966
R1200RT 2007
#1000242 - 11/05/17 11:27 AM Re: R 1200RT clutch job bits & pieces [Re: dduelin]  
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OK thanks on both items. I'll remove the swing arm from the frame with the DS prior to removing the rear frame, no short cuts.

The Haynes cautions that breaking into the ABS brake system requires a dealer service to the brakes after doing so. Poking around in here with the search engine early this morning indicates that isn't the case that as long as I follow posted instructions I'll be able to bleed the rear caliper myself and not have an ABS error DTC.


Dave
2015 NC700XD
2005 ST1300
2007 R1200RT
Jax, FL
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#1000244 - 11/05/17 12:21 PM Re: R 1200RT clutch job bits & pieces [Re: dduelin]  
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Sorry for not replying or adding information to this thread earlier, I have been and still are involved in large family reunion, as I had told you Dave.
The bike has all of it’s required services, either done by me personally or by BMW dealers, from mile # 2.
Also to work on this ABS brake system, the dealer computer is not required for hydraulic work.
The posts I read, indicate that you should be able to leave the complete brake system intact.
Yes, you have to remove the swing arm, before removing the drive shaft (replaced around 126,00 miles).
Remove body work and seats, remove muffler and rear wheel. Remove front of rear wheel fender.
Remove rear shock, remove foot peg mounting plates. Disconnect rear master cylinder, before removing right side plate completely, so you don’t kink the brake lines.
Remove rear wheel ABS sensor (if you spill rear drive oil, you may want to empty and refill it with fresh oil after reassemble. Unbolt rear wheel brake caliper. Drop down rear drive to separate it from the rear spline of the drive shaft.
Removing the pivot pins for the swing arm is next. Then you can separate and remove the drive shaft from the transmission.
There is a internal spring ring inside the front u-joint link, that holds it on to the transmission output shaft.
That is as far as I have been, but I guess the battery would be next and then it is time to separate the rear frame and the transmission.
But maybe someone who has actually done this job can jump in with some more information.
I can borrow you the BMW Repair DVD and I also have the large metric Allen wrench for the left side swing arm pivot pin, if you need it.

Swingarm-Drive shaft pictures


Bernie
Jax, FL
2018 R1200RT, Alpinweiss, starting out fresh.
2007 R1200RT, Double Silver 188,700 Smiles, SOLD
2000 R1100RT, Opal 104,000 Smiles, SOLD
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AMA, BMW-NEF,
#1000271 - 11/05/17 06:05 PM Re: R 1200RT clutch job bits & pieces [Re: dduelin]  
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I used my GS-911 to bleed the rear brakes and flush the air out of the rear caliper.

You want to keep the rear of the bike intact to split it in two.
Otherwise you have nothing to support the rear part of the bike.

[Linked Image]

The swing arm will need to be removed after you reconnect the sub frame only if you pulled the drive shaft off the rear spline while separating the sub frame.

The front u-joint can be unclipped and clipped without removing the swing arm

[Linked Image]


[Linked Image]

Also, removing the second screw of the clutch slave cylinder was a pita. I had to use a u-joint adapter to remove it

[Linked Image]


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Daniel

If you can park it, and not turn around to admire it before walking away, you bought the wrong one.
IBA # 56396
MOA # 171966
R1200RT 2007
#1000292 - 11/06/17 12:23 AM Re: R 1200RT clutch job bits & pieces [Re: dduelin]  
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I ended up following the Haynes manual. I have a ratcheting lift from a ceiling rafter and it supported the rear frame w/o swing arm or rear wheel.

Both the main seal and balancer shaft seal were leaking and the friction disk was contaminated and glazed. After 189,000 miles it was at the minimum thickness 4.4 mm.


Dave
2015 NC700XD
2005 ST1300
2007 R1200RT
Jax, FL
IBA #33208 MOA #133008
#1000294 - 11/06/17 01:25 AM Re: R 1200RT clutch job bits & pieces [Re: dduelin]  
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Great, you are making fast progress.


Bernie
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2007 R1200RT, Double Silver 188,700 Smiles, SOLD
2000 R1100RT, Opal 104,000 Smiles, SOLD
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AMA, BMW-NEF,
#1000295 - 11/06/17 02:03 AM Re: R 1200RT clutch job bits & pieces [Re: dduelin]  
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With the noise it was making, a metallic squeal or scraping in the gearbox/clutch area in the last 1/3rd of clutch take-up, I thought the clutch disk and driven plate would look worse than it does but I've only had one dry clutch failure and that was the splines letting go. That was my R100.


Dave
2015 NC700XD
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2007 R1200RT
Jax, FL
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#1000297 - 11/06/17 03:17 AM Re: R 1200RT clutch job bits & pieces [Re: dduelin]  
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Originally Posted by dduelin
I ended up following the Haynes manual. I have a ratcheting lift from a ceiling rafter and it supported the rear frame w/o swing arm or rear wheel.

Both the main seal and balancer shaft seal were leaking and the friction disk was contaminated and glazed. After 189,000 miles it was at the minimum thickness 4.4 mm.


BTW Which Haynes manual do you have?
Even though I have the BMW RSD, I'm looking for one to supplement it.


Daniel

If you can park it, and not turn around to admire it before walking away, you bought the wrong one.
IBA # 56396
MOA # 171966
R1200RT 2007
#1000364 - 11/06/17 10:52 PM Re: R 1200RT clutch job bits & pieces [Re: Dann]  
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Originally Posted by Dann
Originally Posted by dduelin
I ended up following the Haynes manual. I have a ratcheting lift from a ceiling rafter and it supported the rear frame w/o swing arm or rear wheel.

Both the main seal and balancer shaft seal were leaking and the friction disk was contaminated and glazed. After 189,000 miles it was at the minimum thickness 4.4 mm.


BTW Which Haynes manual do you have?
Even though I have the BMW RSD, I'm looking for one to supplement it.
There is a 2004 to 2006 printing and a 2004 to 2009 printing.

https://www.amazon.com/BMW-R1200-Twins-Haynes-Service/dp/1844258017

Last edited by dduelin; 11/06/17 11:07 PM.

Dave
2015 NC700XD
2005 ST1300
2007 R1200RT
Jax, FL
IBA #33208 MOA #133008
#1000367 - 11/06/17 11:14 PM Re: R 1200RT clutch job bits & pieces [Re: dduelin]  
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I had my clutch replaced two and a half years ago (112k). I decided it was worth it to pay the dealer to do it for me. One of the finest decisions I ever made. I had them replace all all of the parts (except the fly wheel) and I provided the oil-resistant clutch from Beemerboneyard.com. If you're near a decent dealer and have the loot, let them do it.


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