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#1002419 - 12/17/17 11:18 AM Annual Service and Cam Alignment  
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Started my annual service and found the cam timing a wee bit off that I corrected with the help of some BMW specified tools.

Cam alignment and chain tension tools.
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Tool for finding TDC.
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Cam chain tool in position.
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Left side cams at TDC.
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Cam alignment tool in place - cams slightly out of alignment.
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Cam trigger sensor removed.
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Crows foot to loosen the cam gear retaining nuts.
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Adjusted and aligned.
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Tighten cam gear nuts and install cam sensor trigger and align.
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Remove chain tension tool and install cam tensioner with new washer.
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Check the valves (all in spec), button up the bike and move to the next task.
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#1002422 - 12/17/17 01:16 PM Re: Annual Service and Cam Alignment [Re: Limecreek]  
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How did you determine your cam timing was off? And any idea what caused it?

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The alignment tool is used to determine alignment. It is a go, no/go tool.

As for cause....the bike is too new for cam chain stretch so I would assume it came out of the factory that way. The adjustment was quite small.

#1002434 - 12/17/17 07:09 PM Re: Annual Service and Cam Alignment [Re: Limecreek]  
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I assume you did the right side as well? If so, did you move the cam tensioning tool over the the right side or did you just leave it on the left side?


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#1002436 - 12/17/17 07:42 PM Re: Annual Service and Cam Alignment [Re: AZgman]  
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Originally Posted by AZgman
I assume you did the right side as well? If so, did you move the cam tensioning tool over the the right side or did you just leave it on the left side?


Yes - both sides. The tool slips over the cam fittings when aligned properly. It just a tool to check alignment and to hold the cams in place when tightening the cam gear nuts.

#1002449 - 12/18/17 02:07 AM Re: Annual Service and Cam Alignment [Re: Limecreek]  
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Thanks for posting this. I just received the tools and am ready to check my cams at the 6000 mile service.

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#1002472 - 12/18/17 05:06 PM Re: Annual Service and Cam Alignment [Re: Limecreek]  
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Where did you buy these? Nothing like having the right tools for a job. Is there a service manual available that applies to the wetheads?

#1002488 - 12/18/17 11:50 PM Re: Annual Service and Cam Alignment [Re: Pappy35]  
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Where did you buy these? Nothing like having the right tools for a job. Is there a service manual available that applies to the wetheads?

I have just started looking at this for my 2016 R1200GSA and found these at ASCYCLES. Scroll down to find the other two tools. I haven't ordered them and I suspect you could manufacture the TDC tool and jig, but the Cam Tensioner tool seems to be more tricky and is required to get the correct tension on the cam chain to set the valve timing.
The service DVD is also available at ASCYCLES and I just received mine. They were on backorder for a while.


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#1002489 - 12/19/17 01:16 AM Re: Annual Service and Cam Alignment [Re: Limecreek]  
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Originally Posted by Limecreek
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I assume you did the right side as well? If so, did you move the cam tensioning tool over the the right side or did you just leave it on the left side?


Yes - both sides. The tool slips over the cam fittings when aligned properly. It just a tool to check alignment and to hold the cams in place when tightening the cam gear nuts.



I was asking about the cam chain tensioning device, not the alignment tool.


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The cam chain tensioner tool must be used on each side to get accurate cam timing. Each side uses a separate cam drive chain.

Complete the cam timing check/adjust on one side, turn the engine crank two revolutions to return to the adjustment point, recheck your work
Remove cam tensioner and replace the tensioner piston and plug with a new crush washer.

Repeat this process on the other side with the tensioner tool installed and repeat the same process for cam timing.


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#1002503 - 12/19/17 12:13 PM Re: Annual Service and Cam Alignment [Re: AZgman]  
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The only difference in the procedure, from the left to the right, is the cam sensor trigger - it only exists on the left side and must be removed to access the exhaust cam retaining nut.

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#1002514 - 12/19/17 04:14 PM Re: Annual Service and Cam Alignment [Re: Limecreek]  
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I have people for that.

Oh, wait, Greg, you're my people!


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#1002516 - 12/19/17 05:20 PM Re: Annual Service and Cam Alignment [Re: markgoodrich]  
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Originally Posted by markgoodrich
I have people for that.

Oh, wait, Greg, you're my people!


Are you saying there will be a "Cam alignment Tech Days" at the Limestone Ranch?

#1002519 - 12/19/17 05:41 PM Re: Annual Service and Cam Alignment [Re: Limecreek]  
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Originally Posted by Limecreek
The alignment tool is used to determine alignment. It is a go, no/go tool.

As for cause....the bike is too new for cam chain stretch so I would assume it came out of the factory that way. The adjustment was quite small.

There is a good thread on this issue in the BMWLT forum, and Lee (LAF, also a member here) had done an excellent job of keeping statistics on how many of the "new" wetheads that he had taken apart had the cam timing off, from the factory!

http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/rt-series/169458-12k-cam-timing.html


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#1002521 - 12/19/17 06:10 PM Re: Annual Service and Cam Alignment [Re: Limecreek]  
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Originally Posted by Limecreek
Started my annual service and found the cam timing a wee bit off that I corrected with the help of some BMW specified tools. .... move to the next task.

What year is your bike? I am surprised to see the valve timing so far out!
Lee (LAF) on the LT forum has also found some to be out. I was curious to know why this is not being picked up at the relevant BMW Dealerships during their servicing.

#1002524 - 12/19/17 06:31 PM Re: Annual Service and Cam Alignment [Re: PadG]  
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Originally Posted by PadG
Originally Posted by Limecreek
The alignment tool is used to determine alignment. It is a go, no/go tool.

As for cause....the bike is too new for cam chain stretch so I would assume it came out of the factory that way. The adjustment was quite small.

There is a good thread on this issue in the BMWLT forum, and Lee (LAF, also a member here) had done an excellent job of keeping statistics on how many of the "new" wetheads that he had taken apart had the cam timing off, from the factory!

http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/rt-series/169458-12k-cam-timing.html


Awesome - reading it now. I had not see this before.

#1002525 - 12/19/17 06:49 PM Re: Annual Service and Cam Alignment [Re: AndyS]  
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Originally Posted by AndyS
Originally Posted by Limecreek
Started my annual service and found the cam timing a wee bit off that I corrected with the help of some BMW specified tools. .... move to the next task.

What year is your bike? I am surprised to see the valve timing so far out!
Lee (LAF) on the LT forum has also found some to be out. I was curious to know why this is not being picked up at the relevant BMW Dealerships during their servicing.


2016 MY Andy and the timing really was not that far off.

#1002527 - 12/19/17 07:30 PM Re: Annual Service and Cam Alignment [Re: realshelby]  
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Originally Posted by realshelby
Originally Posted by markgoodrich
I have people for that.

Oh, wait, Greg, you're my people!


Are you saying there will be a "Cam alignment Tech Days" at the Limestone Ranch?



Hmmmm. Could be.

#1002532 - 12/19/17 10:25 PM Re: Annual Service and Cam Alignment [Re: Limecreek]  
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There seems no rhyme or reason as to cam alignment or cam position sensor alignment.

I think I am at 11 or 12 now and there seems to be no correlation to model, RT, GS, GSA, or year.

I do know that the cam position sensor is the most noticeable if it is out. In the GS I follow for thousands of miles, his was way off and when we set it in place his starts became instant. No hesitation or false starts any longer like he was experiencing.

The cams being out do not show the same good results that are seen and felt.

I do suspect that it shows up in improved gas mileage and performance that can not be perceived by seat of the pants.

As to why it is not picked up more often dealers just do not check cam timing. You need to ask and you may get a blank stare. The thing is if you are in for a valve check a cam check takes like 5 mins more. If they need adjusted it is uninstalling a cam chain tensioner, installing a cam chain simulator, and using the alignment tool over the end of the cams.

I have had people from all over the country stop here in PA for me to check their cams and we check valves while we are there as it takes only a few mins more.

To me if something is supposed to be in a spec I want it there.


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#1002536 - 12/20/17 01:13 AM Re: Annual Service and Cam Alignment [Re: Limecreek]  
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While my cams were only slightly out of phase, my bike starts noticeably faster than before. It used to always start with a pop and now it just lights up.


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#1002537 - 12/20/17 01:25 AM Re: Annual Service and Cam Alignment [Re: AZgman]  
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Originally Posted by AZgman
While my cams were only slightly out of phase, my bike starts noticeably faster than before. It used to always start with a pop and now it just lights up.


Well since you need to remove the cam position sensor on the left side to adjust the valve I wonder if it was off and then put back on in the correct position?

Regardless cams should be adjusted to spec using the tools. IMHO it is another quality control issue as there is no way for cams to "slip" or jump out of time, or because of the cam chain stretching. Since the two cams and the cam chain are connected by three sprockets or gears, no way for cams to jump out of time. I do not know for sure but I see no way once cams are aligned for them to ever be out again. If one I did comes back in 12K and is out I will for sure eat crow.


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#1002560 - 12/20/17 05:14 PM Re: Annual Service and Cam Alignment [Re: Limecreek]  
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LAF, you wouldn't happen to be going to the Un-Rally in SD next summer? I would love to see the whole process in person.


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#1002581 - 12/21/17 02:50 AM Re: Annual Service and Cam Alignment [Re: Limecreek]  
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I am going to Iowa for the National.

Since it is not really riding country I may do some there.


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#1002589 - 12/21/17 03:51 PM Re: Annual Service and Cam Alignment [Re: Limecreek]  
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Why would cam timing ever change once it is set? and correctly one would hope.


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Cam timing shouldn't change until you get some stretching in the cam chain, and that could take a while.


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Cam chain stretch isn't the only factor with the Wethead. Since you can loosen the cam drive gear to adjust it, I assume it could move on its own. More likely they are just not adjusted perfectly when built. The cams are gear driven from a gear that is turned by the cam chain. Meaning the two cams should never be out of proper phase. But, apparently some are.

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Originally Posted by realshelby
Cam chain stretch isn't the only factor with the Wethead. Since you can loosen the cam drive gear to adjust it, I assume it could move on its own. More likely they are just not adjusted perfectly when built. The cams are gear driven from a gear that is turned by the cam chain. Meaning the two cams should never be out of proper phase. But, apparently some are.


Cam chain stretch on this bike over time should be negligible. And my guess is once timing is properly set it will not change by very much. I'll check again in 12K miles.

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As for detecting a performance gain as a result of the adjustment? Can't say I've noticed a difference. I have noticed the fueling flat spot I had around 7K is gone, but I am attributing that to the software update I paid for 2 weeks ago.

This most recent generation of the boxer motor is really amazing - powerful, smooth, spins up quickly and a more powerful version is in development.

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#1002648 - 12/23/17 06:29 AM Re: Annual Service and Cam Alignment [Re: Limecreek]  
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I did the same job on my GSA last month. At 12K miles all the valve clearness were still well within range, but the cam timing was slightly off on one side. Just like yours, the tool didn't quite fit, so out came the crowfoot.

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With three gears connecting the cams and cam chain I see no way chain stretch could make cam timing off. I mean after all that is what a cam chain tensioner is for. If you look at the pics you will see three gears it would have to jump a tooth to come out of time with each other.

I believe they are not set correctly from the factory.

Like I say if over the years I get another back that I did and it has moved, then I will need to step back and think about this in a different way.


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Originally Posted by LAF
With three gears connecting the cams and cam chain I see no way chain stretch could make cam timing off. I mean after all that is what a cam chain tensioner is for. If you look at the pics you will see three gears it would have to jump a tooth to come out of time with each other.

I believe they are not set correctly from the factory.

Like I say if over the years I get another back that I did and it has moved, then I will need to step back and think about this in a different way.

Tensioner will just maintain tensions so that the chain don't skip a tooth, if the slack is excessive (as in no tensioner installed). When the chain stretch, the total length of the chain grows, and that is how the timing can change. Sure, the change will be a function of how much the chain has stretched.

No arguments (as you already know) about the timing being off from the factory.


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Originally Posted by PadG
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With three gears connecting the cams and cam chain I see no way chain stretch could make cam timing off. I mean after all that is what a cam chain tensioner is for. If you look at the pics you will see three gears it would have to jump a tooth to come out of time with each other.

I believe they are not set correctly from the factory.

Like I say if over the years I get another back that I did and it has moved, then I will need to step back and think about this in a different way.

Tensioner will just maintain tensions so that the chain don't skip a tooth, if the slack is excessive (as in no tensioner installed). When the chain stretch, the total length of the chain grows, and that is how the timing can change. Sure, the change will be a function of how much the chain has stretched.

No arguments (as you already know) about the timing being off from the factory.


The constant is TDC. With some stretch I can see the cam position slightly off as it relates to the piston position. Still do not believe I'll make the adjustment again in the next 70K miles or so - or at least I hope I will not have to.

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Originally Posted by Limecreek
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With three gears connecting the cams and cam chain I see no way chain stretch could make cam timing off. I mean after all that is what a cam chain tensioner is for. If you look at the pics you will see three gears it would have to jump a tooth to come out of time with each other.

I believe they are not set correctly from the factory.

Like I say if over the years I get another back that I did and it has moved, then I will need to step back and think about this in a different way.

Tensioner will just maintain tensions so that the chain don't skip a tooth, if the slack is excessive (as in no tensioner installed). When the chain stretch, the total length of the chain grows, and that is how the timing can change. Sure, the change will be a function of how much the chain has stretched.

No arguments (as you already know) about the timing being off from the factory.


The constant is TDC. With some stretch I can see the cam position slightly off as it relates to the piston position. Still do not believe I'll make the adjustment again in the next 70K miles or so - or at least I hope I will not have to.

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With three gears connecting the cams and cam chain I see no way chain stretch could make cam timing off. I mean after all that is what a cam chain tensioner is for. If you look at the pics you will see three gears it would have to jump a tooth to come out of time with each other.

I believe they are not set correctly from the factory.

Like I say if over the years I get another back that I did and it has moved, then I will need to step back and think about this in a different way.

Tensioner will just maintain tensions so that the chain don't skip a tooth, if the slack is excessive (as in no tensioner installed). When the chain stretch, the total length of the chain grows, and that is how the timing can change. Sure, the change will be a function of how much the chain has stretched.

No arguments (as you already know) about the timing being off from the factory.


The constant is TDC. With some stretch I can see the cam position slightly off as it relates to the piston position. Still do not believe I'll make the adjustment again in the next 70K miles or so - or at least I hope I will not have to.

Not saying that you have to make adjustment, even at 70k. All that I am saying is that the thing that will affect cam timing is the so-called chain stretch (nothing actually stretches, but the chain will increase in length from use). Whether you need to make any adjustment at all is a function of how much the chain stretches, and I am fairly sure that nobody here can answer that question. The other unknown question is how much can the cam timing be off before it matters? Lee might have some ideas of that, since he has the hands-on experience with multiple wetheads. Having the adjustment slipping is a low probability, IMHO, but again Lee will be the best person to answer that from actual experience rather than just guessing! smile


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#1002915 - 12/30/17 04:53 AM Re: Annual Service and Cam Alignment [Re: realshelby]  
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Originally Posted by realshelby
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I have people for that.

Oh, wait, Greg, you're my people!


Are you saying there will be a "Cam alignment Tech Days" at the Limestone Ranch?



You getting a petition up to have Greg do another "Austin Texas Tech Daze" ?

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Where do I sign?

Yeeeeeha!

ps: make sure there's a follow-up ride scheduled for the following day!

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#1002917 - 12/30/17 05:05 AM Re: Annual Service and Cam Alignment [Re: Limecreek]  
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If you can find the #34, Spring 2017, issue of BMW Motorcycle Magazine, it has a nice photo article similar to Greg's and shows cam removal and shim adjustments. Also give the part #'s for the special tools BMW sells for the job.

http://bmwmcmag.com/shop/bmwmm34/

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Originally Posted by Yeeha! Stephen
If you can find the #34, Spring 2017, issue of BMW Motorcycle Magazine, it has a nice photo article similar to Greg's and shows cam removal and shim adjustments. Also give the part #'s for the special tools BMW sells for the job.

http://bmwmcmag.com/shop/bmwmm34/

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Stephen, Thanks for the tip. I ordered the issue and also started a subscription. Looks like a nice magazine. Surprised I hadn't seen it before. Does the article you mentioned include adjusting the cam sensor and cam timing?


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Could happen - just depends on my travel schedule in Feb/March. Not sure how much interest there is these days, but they were fun back in the day. :-)

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Last edited by Limecreek; 12/31/17 09:11 PM.
#1003009 - 01/01/18 01:27 AM Re: Annual Service and Cam Alignment [Re: Limecreek]  
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I made the 2012 Hottern' Hell Tech Daze! My second one. Maybe I ran everyone off?

Anyway, does the cam timing check have to be done on a cold engine? That might complicate doing them in a "tech daze" setting. Unless we do them Tuesday or Wednesday of this week..........

#1003011 - 01/01/18 03:12 AM Re: Annual Service and Cam Alignment [Re: realshelby]  
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I do not think heat has any bearing on cam alignment check, Really can think of no reason it would.

Thing is it is nice to check the valves while you are there so in that respect it would.

However I have held a garden hose on a few bikes in the center of the front of the motor, then the rear of the motor, and then the jugs after a time and the motor was cool enough in a hour or so to check valves. We set a large fan in front of them did the cam check and then the valves and the motor was cool to the touch.


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