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#1002640 - 12/23/17 02:06 AM new battery recommendations  
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I have been using the PC680 batteries for a while in all our bikes but they dont seem to last very long and frankly have not proven to be reliable for me. Is there a go to battery anyone would recommend. These will be going into 1100/1150/1200RTs and are pretty much used everyday. I believe I have used the westco batteries from beemerboneyard several years ago before switching to the Panasonic and may end up switching back to them.


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'09 1200RT-P (wrecked)
'04 1150RT-P
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#1002642 - 12/23/17 02:32 AM Re: new battery recommendations [Re: KER]  
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I have had much better luck with the Westcos form Beemerboneyard than the PC680s, all three of which were a disappointment. Lots of talk about this; I only knows what has worked for me.


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#1002643 - 12/23/17 02:51 AM Re: new battery recommendations [Re: Sam Taylor]  
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Originally Posted by Sam Taylor
I have had much better luck with the Westcos form Beemerboneyard than the PC680s, all three of which were a disappointment. Lots of talk about this; I only knows what has worked for me.


Same here. I probably have gone through 10-12. On my bike alone I have gone through 2 (one main and one aux), and now need another one and my bike is only 3 years old.


'14 1200RT-P
'09 1200RT-P (wrecked)
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#1002644 - 12/23/17 03:54 AM Re: new battery recommendations [Re: KER]  
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MotoBatt MB51814 has a 2yr replacement warranty, no pro-rate and 260CCA.
I've sold them for probably 6-7yr. And they are very dependable.
I'm a dealer for them and on a bulk purchase can possibly do a bit better than Amazon.
It takes about a week to get them from my supplier.
I'm in Central Calif. near Fresno.
We installed them in several of the smaller departments RT-P's as they didn't have the budget for the BMW battery and they worked
as expected.
A 6mm internal star washer has been found to be helpful to prevent the battery terminals from coming loose over time.

With the holiday, everybody will be closed of course until mid-week.


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#1002645 - 12/23/17 04:11 AM Re: new battery recommendations [Re: KER]  
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Interesting you folks have had bad luck with odyssey, I find them to be very long lasting batteries. I have 8 bikes and have odyssey in 6 of them. As old as 8 years old. Now the best OEM battery I have had is the exide battery that comes in Piagio products like Vespa and Guzzi. I have 2 of those at 11 years old.


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'79 R100T w/ Hack
'O2 K1200LT
'07 Guzzi Norge
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'88 HD FLHS
'10 Triumph Thunderbird
'03 R1150RT
#1002647 - 12/23/17 04:36 AM Re: new battery recommendations [Re: KER]  
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I'll add my experience with the PC680 from another thread here: PC680 charging

The PC680 and the WESTCO are both AGM batteries. My experience is that proper maintenance is much more important than the brand of battery

AGM (Absorptive Glass Mat) batteries need a slightly higher charging voltage than the older lead-acid batteries that some of these older bikes came with and were designed for. Also, if you use a "maintenance charger" or trickle charger such as a "BatteryTINDER", you should check to make SURE your model is designed expressly for AGM batteries. I use a model "2012AGM" "BatteryMINDer" (an unfortunate name similarity - a TOTALLY different business and charger from the previously mentioned charger) that has an additional DESULFATION cycle. And, it works, as described in the other thread.

I also changed the voltage regulator in the Bosch alternator for the AGM in my '99 R1100S, as described later in the same thread above. EME sells these for $39: BOALT-reg365

When the battery is properly charged and maintained EVERYTHING, especially the starter and Motronic, works better. And the battery LASTS longer, too.

More info on AGM here: AGM info

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#1002651 - 12/23/17 12:36 PM Re: new battery recommendations [Re: KER]  
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Originally Posted by KER
I have been using the PC680 batteries for a while in all our bikes but they dont seem to last very long and frankly have not proven to be reliable for me. Is there a go to battery anyone would recommend. These will be going into 1100/1150/1200RTs and are pretty much used everyday. I believe I have used the westco batteries from beemerboneyard several years ago before switching to the Panasonic and may end up switching back to them.


Morning KER

The thing with the Westco is Westco doesn't make their batteries, they just buy in bulk from a foreign battery supplier then slap their Westco badge on them. Years & years ago the Westco was a pretty decent battery, then they had a large run of batteries with internal failures (probably a cheaper supplier). I'm not sure where they are now on quality or durability as I haven't used them since they had all the problems.

As a rule a motorcycle rider can't beat the Odyssey (PC-680) as they are a very predictable & top tier battery-- BUT-- I see that you live in Ca. (HEAT kills batteries especially GEL batteries).
Unfortunately the battery in the BMW 1100/1150/1200 sits over the hot engine (1200RT slightly better position) so add the engine heat to the hot ambient temps & you get early battery failures as the battery temp easily exceeds 120°f while charging in some situations.

Unfortunately, most battery brands don't make the battery that they sell with their name on it (only a few battery manufacturers) so if you get (or had) a battery that worked good in the past it might be a totally different battery from a different manufacturer now.


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#1002657 - 12/23/17 02:08 PM Re: new battery recommendations [Re: KER]  
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PC680, +1, up to 7 years of use. use a battery charger for AGM batteries to top them up.


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#1002661 - 12/23/17 02:57 PM Re: new battery recommendations [Re: Eckhard Grohe]  
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Look into a Panasonic LCX1220P. I have read that this is what Westco used to use. I have 3 PC-680's in use BUT I also use their charger to keep them fresh.

#1002665 - 12/23/17 03:59 PM Re: new battery recommendations [Re: KER]  
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I have been putting Universal Battery AGM UB12220 in my R1100RT. $50 shipped to my door. Spins and starts the motor right up and has totally cured the ABS low volt fault out on start up that was an issue on the 1100 motors being started with less than a fully charged battery. You do need to ream the post holes slightly but this battery has been very reliable for me. I change them out at 5 years though they still are working well and have had zero issues with the 3 I have used in my RT even though they are designed for battery back up and emergency exit light systems. I likely would not use this battery in a GS ridden off road as they might not take that amount of knocking around like a true automotive battery. The UB 12220 is rated at 22 AH so it very similar to the 20 AH Panasonic mentioned above and it comes down to best delivered cost on which you choose.


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#1002746 - 12/26/17 02:49 PM Re: new battery recommendations [Re: KER]  
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I have a 5 year old PC680 on DaRTh and, when not on the road, he is hooked up to a Battery Tender Plus which is for AGM batteries.

http://products.batterytender.com/Dion/Battery-TenderR-Plus.html

I've had Westco's and Odyssey's and I found the Odyssey lasted longer. I also unhook/rest it overnight and then load test it every 6 months and it is still within spec.


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#1002773 - 12/27/17 04:25 AM Re: new battery recommendations [Re: philbytx]  
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Originally Posted by philbytx
I have a 5 year old PC680 on DaRTh and, when not on the road, he is hooked up to a Battery Tender Plus which is for AGM batteries.

http://products.batterytender.com/Dion/Battery-TenderR-Plus.html

I've had Westco's and Odyssey's and I found the Odyssey lasted longer. I also unhook/rest it overnight and then load test it every 6 months and it is still within spec.




We have dual battery tenders setup for all of our bikes, when they arent being ridden they are always plugged in. My bike ('14 1200RTP) appears to just eat these batteries. My main batteries is about to give out as the bike seems to be having a harder and harder time cranking over. I had also replaced my aux battery early this year with a new PC680 and within a week or two my emergency lights and mobile radio starting have some major issues. I had the light controller replaced since it appeared to be that, but a week later the issue was back (some lights not working at all, some just stuck on, airhorn cutting out). As soon as the issue popped up again I replaced the aux battery with another PC680, and all the issues went away. So, it would have appeared that I got a defective battery that time around. As stated in my original post I ride my bike pretty much daily for ride for several hours, either the charging system is poorly designed and can't maintain the battery or these PC680 leave much to be desired as far I'm concerned. I think for the price I might check out some of those universal batteries Paul mentioned.


'14 1200RT-P
'09 1200RT-P (wrecked)
'04 1150RT-P
'02 1150RT-P (sold)
'01 1150GS-P (sold)
#1002777 - 12/27/17 12:58 PM Re: new battery recommendations [Re: KER]  
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Originally Posted by KER



We have dual battery tenders setup for all of our bikes, when they arent being ridden they are always plugged in. My bike ('14 1200RTP) appears to just eat these batteries. My main batteries is about to give out as the bike seems to be having a harder and harder time cranking over. I had also replaced my aux battery early this year with a new PC680 and within a week or two my emergency lights and mobile radio starting have some major issues. I had the light controller replaced since it appeared to be that, but a week later the issue was back (some lights not working at all, some just stuck on, airhorn cutting out). As soon as the issue popped up again I replaced the aux battery with another PC680, and all the issues went away. So, it would have appeared that I got a defective battery that time around. As stated in my original post I ride my bike pretty much daily for ride for several hours, either the charging system is poorly designed and can't maintain the battery or these PC680 leave much to be desired as far I'm concerned. I think for the price I might check out some of those universal batteries Paul mentioned.


Morning KER

More than likely your problem can be tracked back to your Battery Tenders as most Battery Tenders do not properly meet the Odyssey's battery charging/maintaining requirements.

From Odyssey battery-- "Float voltages (at the battery) less than 13.5V will pull the battery down (if it gets fully charged to begin with before going into float) into an undercharged condition and will maintain (Float) the battery in that condition causing sulfation and premature failure. Most chargers maintain or float at 13.2-13.4V which is unacceptable. This is the case with many of the Battery Tender brand of chargers that can be purchased today"

You either need to use a battery charger/maintainer that is on the Odyssey charger approved list or at least use a battery charger/maintainer with a snowflake (higher voltage) setting. Chargers with a snowflake setting bump the charging/maintaining voltage for cold weather charging so using that snowflake setting for the Odyssey is pretty close to perfect.

In the mean time you might recondition your present PC-680's then if the bikes are ridden often do not use your Battery Tender (unless Odyssey rated you are probably better off using nothing)


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#1002810 - 12/28/17 10:49 AM Re: new battery recommendations [Re: dirtrider]  
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Originally Posted by dirtrider
Originally Posted by KER



We have dual battery tenders setup for all of our bikes, when they arent being ridden they are always plugged in. My bike ('14 1200RTP) appears to just eat these batteries. My main batteries is about to give out as the bike seems to be having a harder and harder time cranking over. I had also replaced my aux battery early this year with a new PC680 and within a week or two my emergency lights and mobile radio starting have some major issues. I had the light controller replaced since it appeared to be that, but a week later the issue was back (some lights not working at all, some just stuck on, airhorn cutting out). As soon as the issue popped up again I replaced the aux battery with another PC680, and all the issues went away. So, it would have appeared that I got a defective battery that time around. As stated in my original post I ride my bike pretty much daily for ride for several hours, either the charging system is poorly designed and can't maintain the battery or these PC680 leave much to be desired as far I'm concerned. I think for the price I might check out some of those universal batteries Paul mentioned.


Morning KER

More than likely your problem can be tracked back to your Battery Tenders as most Battery Tenders do not properly meet the Odyssey's battery charging/maintaining requirements.

From Odyssey battery-- "Float voltages (at the battery) less than 13.5V will pull the battery down (if it gets fully charged to begin with before going into float) into an undercharged condition and will maintain (Float) the battery in that condition causing sulfation and premature failure. Most chargers maintain or float at 13.2-13.4V which is unacceptable. This is the case with many of the Battery Tender brand of chargers that can be purchased today"

You either need to use a battery charger/maintainer that is on the Odyssey charger approved list or at least use a battery charger/maintainer with a snowflake (higher voltage) setting. Chargers with a snowflake setting bump the charging/maintaining voltage for cold weather charging so using that snowflake setting for the Odyssey is pretty close to perfect.

In the mean time you might recondition your present PC-680's then if the bikes are ridden often do not use your Battery Tender (unless Odyssey rated you are probably better off using nothing)




Morning DR,
More than five years ago, when I was running short data logs in the garage (using fans to cool) and during the dead of winter, while I was making short test rides for the Wideband O2 project, I was also dutifully using my Battery Tender Jr. to make sure I kept the battery fully charged. Each time after testing I charged the battery, or so I thought.

The Odyssey was new in April ‘12 and wasted by June ‘13. Luckily I came across the Odyssey info on charging and reconditioning. Nearly 5 years later, after reconditioning the battery per Odyssey, boosting the charging voltage on my 1150 and only using a proper charger, that same nearly dead battery in 2013 is still going strong and holds a 95% charge. The R1150RT’s new owner went and bought an Odyssey charger first thing and I bet he gets many more years service from the battery.
RB

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#1003124 - 01/03/18 02:45 PM Re: new battery recommendations [Re: KER]  
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Having purchased numerous batteries over the years, it seems to me that the most economical thing is to simply buy an old fashioned lead acid battery at your local Hondyamazuki shop. I've had AGM and BMW brand units, and sure, they're fine. But they're both also a lot more dough. What are they, twice as much? I know that I don't get twice the life out of them.


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#1003134 - 01/03/18 06:16 PM Re: new battery recommendations [Re: KER]  
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I started using Westco with my R1100R back around 2000 (+ or - a few years). I have been using them ever since. I have to say a couple of been better than others which adds credit to what DR is saying. I have thought about going to the PC680 as I keep hearing about them from a variety of forums. Be interesting which you pick.


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#1003144 - 01/03/18 11:54 PM Re: new battery recommendations [Re: KER]  
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