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#1002780 - 12/27/17 02:26 PM Re: 2017 R1200RT Stability [Re: roger 04 rt]  
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Very good! That fits with all the feedback that I have had over the years. I had always ridden with the tires at 40/42 (Front/Rear), and had always taken the RT's handling characteristic very much for granted. You will be very satisfied with the high-speed performance also. Somehow my RT seem to get into the three digits speed at least once a year! No problems with grips in corners either. My '15 RT presently have the same tires as yours, and I frequently scraped the pegs on my rides.

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#1002781 - 12/27/17 03:56 PM Re: 2017 R1200RT Stability [Re: roger 04 rt]  
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After verifying the right tire pressure, be sure to keep your arms loose as the steering responsiveness of the wethead RT likes a light touch. My '99 RT was so slow in steering I picked up the bad habit of ham fisted steering inputs and literally had my front end of my '15 hop up coming out of a tight turn when riding frisky. Had to relearn good steering control habits as this version of the RT steers more like a modern bike being close to the twitchy end of steering geometry spectrum. You'll notice that this RT has an OEM steering damper which is a sign the engineers wanted very responsive steering but added that bit to be sure things didn't get too twitchy.

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#1002784 - 12/27/17 06:04 PM Re: 2017 R1200RT Stability [Re: Paul De]  
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Originally Posted by Paul De

After verifying the right tire pressure, be sure to keep your arms loose as the steering responsiveness of the wethead RT likes a light touch. My '99 RT was so slow in steering I picked up the bad habit of ham fisted steering inputs and literally had my front end of my '15 hop up coming out of a tight turn when riding frisky. Had to relearn good steering control habits as this version of the RT steers more like a modern bike being close to the twitchy end of steering geometry spectrum. You'll notice that this RT has an OEM steering damper which is a sign the engineers wanted very responsive steering but added that bit to be sure things didn't get too twitchy.



Hello Paul De

This is really great advise you have! There are times when I find myself getting a bit tense with my arms rather stiff while cutting things a bit close. I've found the best thing for me to do is to completely relax my arms and grip and flap my elbows like a little birdie. This gives the bike a chance to do its best and the ride is the smoothest.

I think that it is many techniques like this that enables us to ride smoothly even at an advanced age. When some of our abilities diminish our wisdom needs to increase.

]Dave

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#1002789 - 12/27/17 08:09 PM Re: 2017 R1200RT Stability [Re: Paul De]  
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Originally Posted by Paul De

After verifying the right tire pressure, be sure to keep your arms loose as the steering responsiveness of the wethead RT likes a light touch. My '99 RT was so slow in steering I picked up the bad habit of ham fisted steering inputs and literally had my front end of my '15 hop up coming out of a tight turn when riding frisky. Had to relearn good steering control habits as this version of the RT steers more like a modern bike being close to the twitchy end of steering geometry spectrum. You'll notice that this RT has an OEM steering damper which is a sign the engineers wanted very responsive steering but added that bit to be sure things didn't get too twitchy.


I got out for a fast highway ride today, passed 3 speed traps and happened to be at the proper speed each time I went by. The advice about a light touch seems good, I was starting to do that on my own.

In my case I’ve noticed that even at low speeds, a road or wind disturbance and a bit of heavy handedness can lead to a wiggle. It seems more prone to that on trailing throttle. I’ll give myself some more time to adapt and see how much is me and how much is the bike.

At this point it’s pretty easy to ride hands-free on cruise control. Also, the dealer is experienced on this model so as a precaution I’ll have him take it for a spin at the 600 mile service, which will come up quickly!

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#1002807 - 12/28/17 05:40 AM Re: 2017 R1200RT Stability [Re: roger 04 rt]  
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Going from a 2006 RT I did find the 2016 RTW more susceptible to wind at highway speed. Nothing bad but it just does not feel quite as planted as the '06, especially when passing an 18 wheeler. But I notice it on the interstate with any wind turbulence. I just suspect its part of the RTW and nothing that worries me. Not sure if this is the same issue you are having but I did notice the difference.


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#1002834 - 12/28/17 06:46 PM Re: 2017 R1200RT Stability [Re: roger 04 rt]  
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Also consider that at speed the BMW top box can induce a slight weave, especially if there is a cross wind. Nothing scary just is noticeable, especially if you are really moving. Most of the time I leave the top box off .

#1002839 - 12/28/17 07:32 PM Re: 2017 R1200RT Stability [Re: Exportman]  
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Originally Posted by Exportman
Also consider that at speed the BMW top box can induce a slight weave, especially if there is a cross wind. Nothing scary just is noticeable, especially if you are really moving. Most of the time I leave the top box off .


That has been written more than once. I have yet to find a situation where I get a weave or feeling of instability. I have the factory large top box. It has seen speeds near the limit of the bike to produce. I have ridden in some severe crosswinds on I-10 and in West Texas. Not saying a factor couldn't be found in a wind tunnel, but I have not seen it on this or the previous RT. Just my experience.

#1002848 - 12/28/17 10:47 PM Re: 2017 R1200RT Stability [Re: realshelby]  
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Yes Terry, I can fully agree with you. I have never had a handling problem due to the 50 liter Top Case on my 2007 RT. It handled great at any speed and any load.
The 2018 RT with Metzler Z8 tires inflated to 36 psi front and 42 psi rear at a cold temperature of 60 degrees F (BMW’s idea of cold tire temperature), handle like they are glued to the road.
In 2,600 miles I have not detected any in-stability of any kind or any noises using these tires on my 2018 RT-LC. And if you have ever traveled with me, you know I am not exactly a slow rider (38 mpg).


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#1002860 - 12/29/17 02:05 AM Re: 2017 R1200RT Stability [Re: Paul De]  
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Originally Posted by Paul De

After verifying the right tire pressure, be sure to keep your arms loose as the steering responsiveness of the wethead RT likes a light touch. My '99 RT was so slow in steering I picked up the bad habit of ham fisted steering inputs and literally had my front end of my '15 hop up coming out of a tight turn when riding frisky. Had to relearn good steering control habits as this version of the RT steers more like a modern bike being close to the twitchy end of steering geometry spectrum. You'll notice that this RT has an OEM steering damper which is a sign the engineers wanted very responsive steering but added that bit to be sure things didn't get too twitchy.

I concur. I went from a 1999 RT to a 2015 wethead R, and the difference in handling is remarkable. The wethead is a real pleasure in the corners. It feels more nimble and responsive. At the same time it is the most stable bike I have ridden. On a straight stretch of road, I can set the cruise control and take my hands off the bars forever it feels like. Very slight weight shifts are sufficient to keep it on track. You can even take gentle corners with no-hands. My last RT had a tendency to pull to one side, but even after compensating for the pull, I was never comfortable with my hands very far from the grips. In comparison, the 2015 feels like it is on rails. The throttle response on the 2015 definitely requires respect. I have had the front wheel come off the ground with just a moderately aggressive start from a toll booth.


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#1002878 - 12/29/17 04:10 PM Re: 2017 R1200RT Stability [Re: Bernie]  
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I'm with Bernie and Terry on the large top case and non-wet head stability issues at any speed due to the top case. I'm one of the oddballs you see who typically has the top case on and no side cases (unless I'm traveling). As such, my top case has been exposed to everything road and speed wise without hiccup or stability issues. The side cases take up more room in the garage - so they stay off the bike. After being endlessly teased by a gentleman from Perry, I have begun to use one of my soft-tail rear bags more often nowadays. Not that doing so has stopped the playground teasing from That Big GSA riding Bully in GA. I guess as the song says, 'The Devil went down to Georgia . . . " wave

But I digress . . .

One thing that may be worth considering for owners of the new RTW's that the the new RTW suspension may be transmitting MORE road feel than your previous model. I noted a very similar thing when I went from factory ESA to Wilbur's. Suddenly I was getting much more road feedback and it was unnerving at first.

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