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#560638 - 01/19/10 03:22 PM Re: Braking Practice [Re: Paul Mihalka]  
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#560730 - 01/19/10 07:52 PM Re: Braking Practice [Re: Jim Moore]  
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Originally Posted By: Jim Moore
[I'm hoping no one will turn across my path if it means hitting me AND a pickup truck.

Ah, but therein lies the flaw. People turn in front of things far bigger and brighter than a pickup truck (or whatever) all the time. And the person on the bike (hoping for protection in your approach) pays the price. Relying (hoping) on other to do something of any type when on a bike is potentially a fatal mistake.


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#560737 - 01/19/10 08:25 PM Re: Braking Practice [Re: Ken H.]  
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#560792 - 01/19/10 11:17 PM Re: Braking Practice [Re: Jim Moore]  
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Jim,
I understand.
I try to move my helmet and look at as many potential threats as I can at intersections.
Right or wrong, I feel that by "looking" at them, there is more of a chance they'll not pull out or turn.
No rationale, I understand, but I think people pick up on movement and subtle head turns might register w/a cager.
Mere hypothesis.
Slowing down, to me connotes an absecne of excessive speed and slight decrease with my hand already in the ready to roll off/on as needed and brake covered and ready to act.
You make a good point that rapid decel might send the wrong message.
Best wishes.


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#560796 - 01/19/10 11:23 PM Re: Braking Practice [Re: tallman]  
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Interesting thread. When on city streets here in SoCal and if I notice I have the sun behind me, I always turn on my high beams. I do not flash them as that might be taken as a signal to go.

I also do not slow precipitously as that also seems to signal the oncoming car. I also turn my head conspicuously if they are on the right or left and I like to cross intersections with another car or truck.

So far so good (knock on wood).

JT


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#566176 - 02/04/10 09:29 PM Re: Braking Practice [Re: Ken H.]  
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Recommended braking drills, literally.
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#566943 - 02/07/10 07:51 AM Re: Braking Practice [Re: pmdave]  
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Very nice discussion about braking, however, I'd like to add my $0.02.

I think the gist of this thread, at least as I understand it, is not just about braking, but collision avoidance. What so many seem to overlook when it comes to collision avoidance is steering. We seem to get so preoccupied with the braking portion and how this can be improved and optimized, that we often forget about the steering part. As stated by many already in this thread, the reason we practice is to be better prepared and to be able to respond in a more constructive manner than what our 'natural reaction' would provide. Our brain is capable of extremely quick reasoning, if we can avoid the ‘panic mode’.

So, back to steering. Most police motorcycle riding schools, at least that I’m aware of on the West Coast, don’t practice braking just by itself, but always in conjunction with steering. You have to be able to stop quickly, but also to be able to steer to avoid a hazard. The standardized tests for California motor schools include a 40 mph deceleration test. This test requires the rider to accelerate to a speed of no less than 40 mph in third gear, with both hands closed on the handle bars. Then the rider reaches a marked point where braking begins. At this point the rider transitions his fingers to the brake and clutch levers and applies optimal braking power, while downshifting to first gear. The rider must come to a complete stop within a given distance, must not lock the brakes, must remain upright, and must be able to immediately start forward again without putting a foot on the ground. As the rider is braking, he is also given a signal to continue straight, swerve right or swerve left after the braking is completed. All this obviously trains the rider to not only brake and downshift properly in the shortest possible distance/time, but also to multi-task and focus on an avenue of escape while the braking is taking place.

Being an aggressive enforcement rider, I’ve had the opportunity to continually practice and use these skills. I have had situations that were caused by other drivers and situations caused by my own actions that required me to take evasive actions to avoid a collision. During all these situations the most important factor, in my opinion, was being able to keep a level head. This has allowed me to evaluate and re-evaluate the situations as they develop and take the appropriate actions to avoid a crash.


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#572045 - 02/21/10 07:29 PM Re: Braking Practice [Re: MotorinLA]  
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Good stuff. Go to this web site which has good articles on motorcycle riding by motor officers. I wrote one on ABS training...............

http://www.motorcops.com/police_training/abs_braking.asp


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#1007889 - 03/22/18 04:52 PM Re: Braking Practice [Re: pmdave]  
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Always a good thing to review and self evaluate the basics we often take for granted.


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