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#1016438 - 08/08/18 08:31 PM Re: BMW Motorrad ADVANTEC Ultimate [Re: NoelCP]  
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Originally Posted by NoelCP
Originally Posted by RTinNC
I guess I am just a lucky one with no shifting issues whatsoever on my RTW.


Same same Ed--shifting has been fine as far as the transmission goes.

I just did an oil change and I will say I did notice something I hadn't noticed previously. I had about 4900m on my last change and for quite a while, I'm not sure how many 100's of miles, when I let out the clutch in 1st from a standstill it would quite regularly 'snatch' at a certain point unless I was very careful to slip the clutch a little more than one should need to to get a smooth engagement. Since changing oil a few hundred miles ago that behavior has vanished. So I'm thinking I should pay attention to how many miles on this new oil change before this behavior returns. It's the same Advantec Ultimate oil I just as I say never noticed really when that behavior started previously.


Ditto. No complaints on the way my bike shifts either; Including all the way up and all the way down using shift assist.


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#1016562 - 08/10/18 09:30 AM Re: BMW Motorrad ADVANTEC Ultimate [Re: Cohiba54]  
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Sorry...You are all happy with the way your bikes shift into 1st gear from neutral?

#1016565 - 08/10/18 10:55 AM Re: BMW Motorrad ADVANTEC Ultimate [Re: AndyS]  
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Originally Posted by AndyS
Sorry...You are all happy with the way your bikes shift into 1st gear from neutral?


Speaking for myself ... yes! Better than any other BMW boxer I've owned.

But the whole neutral to first thing was never an issue for me even on my 1150 once I learned to just roll the bike back a few inches if it won't slip into 1st. But on the RTW that rarely ever occurs.


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#1016570 - 08/10/18 11:51 AM Re: BMW Motorrad ADVANTEC Ultimate [Re: Cohiba54]  
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No, my 1150 was (generally) silky smooth from neutral to 1st (not so much for the other gears, but not bad at all). However, EVERY 1200 Wethead I have ridden has crashed into 1st from neutral (once warm). Oddly, when the oil is cold it is buttery wonderful.
Most of the other wet clutch bikes (non BMW) I have ridden have been worse when cold and improve with oil temperature.

#1016571 - 08/10/18 11:55 AM Re: BMW Motorrad ADVANTEC Ultimate [Re: Cohiba54]  
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Andy, it just is what it is. There is so little to complain about on these bikes that the neutral to first clunk provides us with something to discuss! Since it seems there is zero problems, even on high mile bikes, from this I just slam it into first and go. Hardly think about it now.

#1016573 - 08/10/18 12:28 PM Re: BMW Motorrad ADVANTEC Ultimate [Re: AndyS]  
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Originally Posted by AndyS
No, my 1150 was (generally) silky smooth from neutral to 1st (not so much for the other gears, but not bad at all). However, EVERY 1200 Wethead I have ridden has crashed into 1st from neutral (once warm). Oddly, when the oil is cold it is buttery wonderful.
Most of the other wet clutch bikes (non BMW) I have ridden have been worse when cold and improve with oil temperature.


Guess I never had an issue with it or noticed the clunk. I only know from my own experience that every iteration of he boxer has gotten better and smoother shifting. My '97 1100RT and my '02 1150GS both had periodic difficulty from neutral to first but as noted once I learned the drill it was never ever an issue. On both bikes you had to make sure first to 2nd gear as a solid firm shift or you would hang in neutral but on any 1200 that is gone. Both my '06 and '12 oil heads shifted waaaay better than the 1100 and 1150. Now my RTW is even better. But like realshelby says each bike has a personality and this is just part of the character of the bikes. Funny but friends who have owned Gold Wings and Honda Pacific Coasts have noted they were so perfect it was kind of boring with no character whatsoever. All I can say is for me the boxers just keep getting better and better.


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#1016592 - 08/10/18 03:39 PM Re: BMW Motorrad ADVANTEC Ultimate [Re: realshelby]  
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Originally Posted by realshelby
Andy, it just is what it is. There is so little to complain about on these bikes that the neutral to first clunk provides us with something to discuss! Since it seems there is zero problems, even on high mile bikes, from this I just slam it into first and go. Hardly think about it now.


Hi Terry, don't get me wrong. I am not complaining per se, but it bugs me when we don't recognise the shortcomings in a model line.
There have been posts that infer these bikes snick quietly into every gear silently, and for new readers here, they need to know that is not the case. If they test ride a bike, a clunk into first is what they (currently) should expect once the bike is warm.
I'm not saying it is a problem because we know it isn't...But, it IS there on all current Wethead models.

#1016599 - 08/10/18 05:33 PM Re: BMW Motorrad ADVANTEC Ultimate [Re: Cohiba54]  
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That is true Andy. But I will take the clunk from neutral to first any day over the 1-2 shift the oilheads had as well as other bikes like the DL 1000 V Stroms. Pointing it out is just fine, and "new" owners will feel better to know it is normal. But obsessing over it, I do not!

#1016605 - 08/10/18 06:27 PM Re: BMW Motorrad ADVANTEC Ultimate [Re: realshelby]  
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Originally Posted by realshelby
That is true Andy. But I will take the clunk from neutral to first any day over the 1-2 shift the oilheads had as well as other bikes like the DL 1000 V Stroms. Pointing it out is just fine, and "new" owners will feel better to know it is normal. But obsessing over it, I do not!


Amen that !


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#1016606 - 08/10/18 06:30 PM Re: BMW Motorrad ADVANTEC Ultimate [Re: RTinNC]  
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Originally Posted by RTinNC
Originally Posted by realshelby
That is true Andy. But I will take the clunk from neutral to first any day over the 1-2 shift the oilheads had as well as other bikes like the DL 1000 V Stroms. Pointing it out is just fine, and "new" owners will feel better to know it is normal. But obsessing over it, I do not!


Amen that !


I would fine with that if I could get a clean shift, using the clutch from 2nd to 3rd gear.
Never had that with either the OilHead or the HexHead. But no noises using Shift Assist Pro (clutch less up shift).


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