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#14183 - 03/13/04 11:26 PM How to Use the Search Function
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There have been several questions about searching, recently, so I thought I'd explain a bit more how to use it. The version of InfoPop that we are using now has a far more powerful search capability.

Note the "Search" button on the main menu. Click it and you'll get a dialog box that looks like this:



In that box click on Advanced and you'll see this:



1. Select which forums you want to search. You can select more than one by holding down the command key (shift key for Mac users) while selecting.

2. Type the keywords you want to search for in the box.

3. You can use more advanced logic (see below), and selecting "Advanced search tips" will remind you of those commands.

4. Search only in the subject or the subject and the body.

5. If you want to find matching posts by a specific person, type their username in the box.

6. Select a timeframe, if you know it.

7. Decide whether you want to see the first few sentences of the results to help you narrow it down further.

Let's say you want to flush the brakes on your 1150RT. If you select the Oilheads forum, type "brake flushing" as search terms, and change the date range to newer than 5 years, here's what you get:



It's of little use because the search results will find any occurrence of "brake" or "flushing," But if we change the search field to...

+brake +flushing

...it will only find posts where both those words are found together (though not necessarily next to each other). That yields this:



But you see this and you say, "Ah! I remember that ltljohn posted a thread asking for help finding someone's brake bleed thread.

So let's change the search field just a bit and ask for "brake bleed" instead of brake flush.

...and put ltljohn in the username field, and we get this:



And there it is, the I Can't Find The Brake Bleed thread. Take a look at that thread and there is a response with the link to Jamie and Leslie's famous R1150RT brake bleed tutorial. ( Here is that link. It's a classic.


So, here's a summary of how to get the most of that search string:

A. Entering a single word will search for that word.

B. Enter two or more words will search for each word, as if you had an OR between them. So {flush brake} will find discussions of "how to flush toilets" and "I brake for insurance salesmen."

C. Entering two or more words with plus signs will search as if you have a AND between the words. So {+flush +brake} will only find posts where both words are used in the same post.

D. Entering two or more words in quote marks will search for the phrase. So {"flush brake"} will only find posts where those words are found right next to each other.

E. Entering two or more words with a minus sign will exclude words from the search. So {+flush +brake -toilet} will find posts about flushing your brakes, but will exclude posts about flushing your toilet! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

One small internet etiquette thing is to at least attempt a search before asking what is obviously a common question. The users around here are pretty patient, but if you listen carefully enough you can hear groans when someone asks a question that has been beat to death 1,455 times! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Have fun!


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#14184 - 03/14/04 04:18 AM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: David]
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Wow! David that is really helpful!

Maybe now it will be easier for me to find the post folks are asking about so Jim Brink won't be able to bust my stones about how lazy I am!

Oh, and thanks for the example! Also, for folks who were looking for the collection of DIY service walk-throughs in one place, "boney" has collected them on his website here for the members' convenience! (The clutch bleed is not on boney's site, but you can find it here. Hey, I like this new feature! )
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#14185 - 03/15/04 03:28 AM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: KMG_365]
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Oh, sure... Point out that I've been slacking on getting the important content up on my site... But now, of course the Clutch Bleed is there too.

I'll get my but in gear and get some more stuff put up. Thanks for lighting the fire under my a$$.
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#14186 - 03/15/04 03:49 AM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: KMG_365]
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Maybe now it will be easier for me to find the post folks are asking about so Jim Brink won't be able to bust my stones about how lazy I am!




You know I'll just find something else to gig you about...


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#14187 - 03/15/04 11:03 PM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: David]
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Thanks, David. Very detailed and helpful. I was only using the search at 75% capability.
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#14188 - 05/26/05 03:49 PM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: David]
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David,

I have used the search feature a fair bit, and generally have found what I want and use & understand the modifiers. The thing I can't figure out is how to view more than one thread without having to redo the search. Highly possible I have missed something, but returning to my searches brings up a clean search, and by hitting back I always get a "cannot find the page" error. Is that a browser issue (Explorer 6.0 all updates) (I had used Firefox some, but too many of the sites I use don't support it)
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#14189 - 05/26/05 03:51 PM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: belezar]
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Ken, your best bet is to use "tabbed" browsing which in effect opens a new window. So, do your search, and then "tab" any thread you want to explore. Then go through the tabs and find it.

Does that make sense?
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#14190 - 05/26/05 05:41 PM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: David]
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Yes, except can I do that with MS Explorer?
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#14191 - 05/26/05 11:10 PM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: belezar]
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Yes, I believe you can. At least Explorer on the Mac is "tabbed-capable."
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#14192 - 08/16/05 11:20 AM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: David]
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David - thanks for the clarification, I was never very good at that whole and/or/either waffle in school anyway.....!!

But, I've searched for a post I wrote, some time back, on Final Drive Seal replacement. In the searches, drilled down as best I could, I find my post mentioned in others, but not the post itself.

For instance, HERE you'll see me replying to a question, with a link to the post in question I'm looking for. Obviously it was there, as several people found it.

Today, however, it's a 'not found'.........has it 'lapsed' due to age off the server, or am I missing something simple? (I would wager most likely on the latter...... )
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#14193 - 08/17/05 05:31 AM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: John Moylan]
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Quote:

For instance, HERE you'll see me replying to a question, with a link to the post in question I'm looking for. Obviously it was there, as several people found it.

Today, however, it's a 'not found'.........has it 'lapsed' due to age off the server, or am I missing something simple? (I would wager most likely on the latter...... )




The simple answer is that unless threads are "kept" they will auto-delete at various times depending on the forum. For example Ride Planning is only three months or so, but Oilheads and Ride Tales, etc. are two years. The catch is that you can only search back as far as two years, so even if the thread was "kept" (by a mod or admin) unless YOU bookmark the address (or put it in your "Favorite threads" file), you won't be able to set your search parameters for longer than two years to find it again!

If you spend a good deal of time doing a nice write-up for a procedure like this again, drop me a note and I'll "keep the thread" from auto-deleting so that it'll be there when you go looking for it again.

I hope I've got that right--but I'm sure someone will straighten me out otherwise!
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#14194 - 08/17/05 11:39 AM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: KMG_365]
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Jamie........aaahso.......I think!

Does this mine my write-up has gone, so. Even you can't find it?

Does anyone else out there have it bookmarked?

John
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#14195 - 08/17/05 11:52 AM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: KMG_365]
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I hope I've got that right--but I'm sure someone will straighten me out otherwise!




The only note I'd make is that you can actually search for things older than 2 years. Just don't specify anything in the "newer than" box and do specify something in the older. That's something I only discovered recently.

John, I missed the earlier note--did Jamie's explanation answer your question okay?
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#14196 - 08/17/05 09:38 PM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: David]
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One thing I have found with the search function is that only a finite number of hits will be returned. For instance, searching on any popular item such as tires with a time frame of newer than 2 years will not return all results newer than two years. Looking at the last page of the search results may indicate that the last thread was only 1 year old.
Searching again with limits set to newer than two years, but also older than one year will turn up additional results which were not returned in the original search.
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#14197 - 02/08/06 03:06 PM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: David]
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I've never seen a SEARCH function as totally useless as the one on this site.

You type in two words and it comes up with topics not even remotely related.
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#14198 - 02/08/06 03:28 PM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: Global_Rider]
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I've never seen a SEARCH function as totally useless as the one on this site.

You type in two words and it comes up with topics not even remotely related.


So learn to use it properly, put a + in front of each word and it will only bring up items that have both words. (The default relationship is OR rather than AND which I agree would be more useful)
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#14199 - 02/08/06 04:08 PM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: Killer]
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So learn to use it properly, put a + in front of each word and it will only bring up items that have both words. (The default relationship is OR rather than AND which I agree would be more useful)




Tried that and it didn't work...but I did find it by clicking on the member's name and searching on posts by that member. Go figure.
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#14200 - 02/08/06 06:28 PM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: Global_Rider]
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Tried that and it didn't work...but I did find it by clicking on the member's name and searching on posts by that member. Go figure.




You probably didn't do it correctly, then. However, it's impossible for anyone else to know, because you didn't give any details. The search functionality is only as capable as the user.
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#14201 - 03/05/06 04:04 PM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: ghaverkamp]
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The search functionality is only as capable as the user.




Shoot the effing software weenie that came up with this Search engine.

Now using a Search engine has never been a problem for me on any other site...

So I do a search for "ADAC".

I get 133 results - the first one comes up with the word headache in a thread. Hmmm, how is "headache" and "ADAC" related?

Now did I put a wildcard in front and behind ADAC? I don't think so.
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#14202 - 03/05/06 04:29 PM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: Global_Rider]
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I have to agree with you here, even if you quote "ADAC" it still finds that sequence of characters within another word which is definitely not the correct behaviour.
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#14203 - 03/05/06 04:34 PM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: Global_Rider]
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I just did a little experiment, a much better search is available, go to Google and try a search on this

site:bmwsporttouring.com ADAC

does exactly what you want, not only that, it reduces the load on this site's server.
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#14204 - 03/05/06 04:49 PM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: Killer]
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These are some great search tips. I have just one remaining question though... what's the best oil for my bike?

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#14205 - 03/05/06 05:45 PM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: Killer]
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I have to agree with you here, even if you quote "ADAC" it still finds that sequence of characters within another word which is definitely not the correct behaviour.




Good, so I'm not going crazy.

Thanks, I'll try using Google which happens to be my #1 search engine in the first place.

This search engine and Microsoft software...^%#*&$!!!

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#14206 - 03/05/06 07:10 PM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: Killer]
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I have to agree with you here, even if you quote "ADAC" it still finds that sequence of characters within another word which is definitely not the correct behaviour.




Why not? It's the defined behavior.

Want to find just "ADAC" and not headache? Well, you click on the little "Advanced search tips" link that tells you precisely how to get that result.
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#14207 - 03/05/06 08:44 PM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: ghaverkamp]
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Want to find just "ADAC" and not headache? Well, you click on the little "Advanced search tips" link that tells you precisely how to get that result.


Spaces around the word inside a quote, that is bizarre. Greg, I think you will agree that there is a generally accepted method of specifying searches and this one isn't close. I've actually written wildcard expansion/search functions and never seen anything like that.
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#14208 - 03/05/06 08:55 PM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: Killer]
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I'm going to do my best to refrain from using any phrase like "illiterate whiners" or something like that. Although if I were to summarize Greg's post, it would be " RTFM " if you get my drift.
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#14209 - 03/05/06 09:09 PM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: David]
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I'm going to do my best to refrain from using any phrase like "illiterate whiners" or something like that. Although if I were to summarize Greg's post, it would be " RTFM " if you get my drift.


That's not a very productive post David, wouldn't it be a better board if the search feature worked in a more normal, standard fashion?
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#14210 - 03/05/06 09:16 PM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: Killer]
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That's not a very productive post David.




Of course it isn't productive. I didn't intend it to be helpful. Just like blasting the search function without even bothering to read the directions first isn't productive.

Quote:

Wouldn't it be a better board if the search feature worked in a more normal, standard fashion?




Of course it would be better, but what do you want us to do, rewrite the code? As a long term member, you know that isn't going to happen. We've said over and over and over again that what they write is what we get. Meanwhile, Alex's bitching about ADAC turns out to be wrong. That's what's funny.

We're completely open to helpful suggestions, but bitching about things we can't change is wasted effort. And especially when the bitching isn't accurate. THAT is what I find worth laughing about.
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#14211 - 03/05/06 10:36 PM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: Killer]
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That's not a very productive post David, wouldn't it be a better board if the search feature worked in a more normal, standard fashion?





Bob, I think the thrust of this conversation is that your comments should be directed to >>>The Complaint Department.<<<


Members here should try to remember that WE are customers, just like you.
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#14212 - 03/05/06 11:47 PM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: Tool]
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Bob, I think the thrust of this conversation is that your comments should be directed to >>>The Complaint Department.<<<


Members here should try to remember that WE are customers, just like you.


1. I wasn't asking anybody to do anything, just responding to Greg, I even addressed him in my post.

2. I spent an hour at UBB this afteernoon, they don't seem to have anything better available, I even had to use the same lousy search engine there. I haven't looked through the "code swap" area yet to see if anybody has a patch but I'm not inspired to bother by the responses here.

3. If there is an improved search engine would anybody be willing to install it? I'd only suggest that if it could be tested on several other UBB sites and was open source, supported by the UBB community.

I didn't get into this thread to piss and moan, I was trying to help.
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#14213 - 03/06/06 01:12 AM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: Killer]
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Spaces around the word inside a quote, that is bizarre. Greg, I think you will agree that there is a generally accepted method of specifying searches and this one isn't close. I've actually written wildcard expansion/search functions and never seen anything like that.




As a WestLaw and LexisNexis user, let me just say that unless you've used those, it's impossible to even start down the road of describing something as bizarre.

Is it a little odd? Sure. If I had to guess, I'd guess that they're using SQL to do the search, and they've probably chosen to write the parser in PHP as a result. Having years ago gone down the path of writing a boolean search parser with stemming and exact phrase capabilities, I'll just step up and say it is something I consider difficult. My guess is that the substring matches prevent the need for stemming code, and it likely helps i8n work quite a bit. Those would be my guesses.

For the average user, though, the search gets the job done. The easiest solution would be just to point off to Google, but without some fancy stuff there,we'd lose the ability to limit by username or by particular discussion area.

Would it be nicer if they included something like Lucene in the package? Sure.

Regardless, this ain't the weirdest search syntax I've seen. And it doesn't take even a long memory to think back before Google came about to recall that all of the search engines used to have very different behaviors.
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#14214 - 06/29/07 02:21 AM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: Killer]
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I have to agree with you here, even if you quote "ADAC" it still finds that sequence of characters within another word which is definitely not the correct behaviour.



+1; the op should be a permanent "sticky".
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#345972 - 06/06/08 08:27 PM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: mefly2]
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I figured I wasn't the only one who thought the search function on this board was "challenged".

Please add me to the list of detractors.

The +term1 +term2 should be the default without the "+"s.
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#713335 - 07/22/11 05:56 AM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: Jeron]
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I am pretty sure it is symptomatic of UBBthreads, I am member of of a couple other forums that use it and the seach functions are all challenged. grin
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#713677 - 07/23/11 05:29 PM Re: How to Use the Search Function [Re: Witch_Doctor]
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You do realize you replied to a 3 year old post?

BTW, for those that have been around the Internet since before Google when AltaVista was the king of search engines, the sytax of this board's search engine makes perfect sense...
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