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#25976 - 04/10/05 03:58 AM Location, location, location...  
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I thought I would split these topics up to make it easier to keep track of for everyone.

I guess I'm missing something. And please believe me that I am not trying to be an ass about this question, or this topic. I really don't understand.

When I look at a map of the US, and I keep in mind all the comments that have been raised over time from "people from northern California" having a difficult time making it to an UnRally because of where they live, I get confused.

If they couldn't make it to Cody last year, and south-central Colorado isn't good for them, then what part of the country would they prefer? Should we have an UnRally in San Francisco? How about Eureka?

Getting to Colorado from Indiana isn't a small feat. Having to cross Indiana, Illinois, Missouri, Kansas, and the horrible part of Colorado in the summer is nothing short of a PITA, but I don't consider it an issue because of the reward waiting for me at my destination.

I've been looking at maps for the past two weeks, trying to figure out an option that would please those in northern California, and I don't understand the issue with Colorado. Afterall, they have Torrey twice a year, as well as the Pacific Coast 24/7.

Jamie, as you pointed out, change would be good, just to keep things fresh. This is one of the reasons I pondered Ouray or Ridgeway, both great "stepping off" towns for awesome day trips. While Ouray has plenty of restaurants and hotels, and it has a hardware and a grocery, and it is a very cool, historic town, there isn't a decent parking lot in town. All of them are either on a very steep, sideways hill, or they are gravel, or both. Not a good situation for parking, talking, drinking, etc. The KOA between Ouray and Ridgeway is very nice, but it is a few miles from both towns. One gas station in each town.

Ridgeway is a good choice, but they have one hotel. Period. We would probably take most of their facility, but that wouldn't be a bad thing. It is new, with a nice pool, deck, view, flat, paved parking, etc. Ridgeway has a grocery, and a few restaurants, but things there are limited.

Telluride is a beautiful little town, but it is very, very expensive and posh, and there is one road in and out of town -- a lot of back-tracking everyday just to get to the point to begin your day trip. One gas station and no close camping.

I thought about Moab, but then there is Torrey twice a year. I thought about Wyoming or Montana, but then we just had Cody. If we push this thing to Washington or Oregon, then we probably lose 90% of the group who live east of Colorado, but the northern California people would be happy, presumably. The four corners area? The Colorado issue gets worse.

Is there a state or area that I am forgetting? Seriously, please let me know if there are other options that aren't obvious to me.


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#25977 - 04/10/05 12:47 PM Re: Location, location, location... [Re: Tasker]  
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When I look at a map of the US, and I keep in mind all the comments that have been raised over time from "people from northern California" having a difficult time making it to an UnRally because of where they live, I get confused.




I think there's always a little whining from the Northern CA contingent, but it strikes me as a very small minority, albeit a quite illogical one. Anywhere in Colorado or NM is about the right location, based on distance (I'm not talking about weather here).

I wouldn't worry about it. One thing for sure: no matter where you pick, there will be some folks for whom it's not convenient. Cody was pretty inconvenient for me and I didn't go. That's life.

#25978 - 04/10/05 03:23 PM Re: Location, location, location... [Re: David]  
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The whole purpose of the Unrally is to make it accessible to the most people from both coasts, and everyone in between. If people from the Pacific Northwest believe that Colorado is too far to travel for a national event, then I guess they'll just have to plan their own regional gathering. Speaking of which, although they complain about traveling so far, I haven't seen a northern CA or WA or OR annual regional gathering posted. Colorado works fine for most people. Cody was a bit farther for the easterners, but the MOA national was just a day away, and many people combined the two. If you're satisfied with Colorado, just do it. The majority will be happy, and some people aren't happy unless they have something to whine about it. Ahhh, the joys of leadership.


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#25979 - 04/11/05 06:21 PM Re: Location, location, location... [Re: Tasker]  
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I guess I'm missing something. And please believe me that I am not trying to be an ass about this question, or this topic. I really don't understand.

When I look at a map of the US, and I keep in mind all the comments that have been raised over time from "people from northern California" having a difficult time making it to an UnRally because of where they live, I get confused.



Sorry, Dude, that was just my very feeble attempt at humor by poking Greg Have-a-cramp in the eye. (I love that name, Tool! )

As others have mentioned, someone will be unhappy no matter where (or when) you decide to hold it. I think the best you can do is make your best choice and let the chips and whining fall where they may. It is a damn big country and not everyone rides 2-3000 miles for a gathering ("What?? It's during the middle of the week? I'm out! ). We heard every conceivable critique for picking a venue "so far west", but it seemed to me that the easties don't ride as far as the westies. Eureka Springs was MUCH closer to a lot more of the DB members, but we had as many folks at Cody as at Eureka Springs. Granted, it was it October, but it wasn't our fault that nobody would want to ride to ES in July!

I know we got very lucky in having Cody as an option what with Top of the Rockies and the National both within reach. I'm also not saying that we shouldn't have the Un-V in Gunnison. That town/area IS a great venue for our sort of gathering and I don't think you'll hear too much whining about going back there. Heck, about two dozen of us went back again the following summer for the Un-Un-Gunn (and TOR) and had a great time. One big "Uh Oh" we found out that summer at the KOA was that it was built on an underground aquifer (an artesian well, I think) and that next July the place was a swamp. We had to be moved quite a few times to find sites dry enough to lie down on and a few bikes fell over in the mud--even with the complementary slabs of 2X6's provided by the new owners (I wonder why the old owners sold? ). After all the rain the west has had this last winter I can imagine it could be pretty soggy, if next winter were to be as wet, that could put a bit of a damper on things. We'd be happy to swing by there this spring and check things there out. Last time we were there (summer 2003), we were chatting with the new owner about some of his options to deal with the water. He's going to need to have done something to keep the place as a viable camping area by then (or it might not be an option in 14 months).

Not to keep harping on the Durango area, but there is a very nice KOA on the eastern edge of town (heading towards Bayfield/Pagosa Springs) that Leslie and I have stayed at. What I don't know is if there are any hotels/motels nearby on that end of town or not.


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#25980 - 04/11/05 06:34 PM Re: Location, location, location... [Re: PhillyFlash]  
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The whole purpose of the Unrally is to make it accessible to the most people from both coasts, and everyone in between.



If that is true, how do you justify Virginia?

Or do you mean every other year? I'm not sure we should always try to find a place that is accessable to most people from both coasts every year as I think that really limits our choices. I throw my vote in with the current nascent "system" of trying to move it around a bit "eastwards" and "westwards" to try to catch a few more folks whose limits on mileage are 1500-2000 miles. At least that way they stand a chance of catching the train every two years. Of course we may also want to (or just decide it's better) to pick "A western location" and "an eastern location" and just move it back and forth every year. The plusses there are lack of work (starting from scratch every year) and ability to plan ahead further for folks. As an example, the TOR Rally had been moving around every year for years until they stumbled upon Paonia. That little town has worked out so well for them that they've been there every year now for the last 15 years or so. They take over the whole town (and in fact, out number it during the rally) and the townspeople open their arms to the bikers and it is a very special feeling I've seen nowhere else.

I don't mean to sound like I'm being positional, just keeping the discussion going and exploring all the options. I'll be happy to ride to whereever the Un winds up and even to go to Gunnison every year if the consensus decides that is the best location, hell, I go to Torrey twice a year!


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#25981 - 04/11/05 09:22 PM Re: Location, location, location... [Re: KMG_365]  
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...but it seemed to me that the easties don't ride as far as the westies.




I'd sure love to see some data on that. I have a strong suspicion you are wrong. It's inflammatory. Not to me, but I'd be a little hesitant about ever saying something like that outside this forum unless you want to get jumped on. Like Dick Frantz did during the first UnRally discussions, after which he got jumped on soundly. And there are still a bunch of people mightily pissed off about his insinuations (ChrisNYC being one of them).

I can think of a whole lot more examples of people riding to the far west than I can of people riding to the far eastern part of the US.

Anyway, that's a perception the some "westies" seem to have and I figured I'd pipe in and share that I'm not sure it's correct.

#25982 - 04/11/05 09:55 PM Re: Location, location, location... [Re: David]  
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Any stats on how many came from east of the Mississippi vs west for the Cody Unrally? It seemed like a lot of easterners were there. For Eureka Springs, there was our group who traveled from Torrey to EU, but I can't remember anyone else from the west who showed up. Torrey has had more than its share of easterners show up, but who from the west has been to El Paseo or Mayhem (although I do have a Mayhem t-shirt). Same goes for Hill Country; how many from the east vs west? While I haven't counted the numbers, it seems to me that more easterners have a penchant for taveling far than do the westerners. Of course, the reason for that, and the reason for going to Virginia, is that it is so hard to find any decent roads in the east.

[duck]


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#25983 - 04/11/05 10:00 PM Re: Location, location, location... [Re: PhillyFlash]  
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Any stats on how many came from east of the Mississippi vs west for the Cody Unrally? It seemed like a lot of easterners were there. For Eureka Springs, there was our group who traveled from Torrey to EU, but I can't remember anyone else from the west who showed up. Torrey has had more than its share of easterners show up, but who from the west has been to El Paseo or Mayhem (although I do have a Mayhem t-shirt). Same goes for Hill Country; how many from the east vs west? While I haven't counted the numbers, it seems to me that more easterners have a penchant for taveling far than do the westerners. Of course, the reason for that, and the reason for going to Virginia, is that it is so hard to find any decent roads in the east.




Exactly my perspective.

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[duck]






#25984 - 04/11/05 10:22 PM Re: Location, location, location... [Re: PhillyFlash]  
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Any stats on how many came from east of the Mississippi vs west for the Cody Unrally? It seemed like a lot of easterners were there. For Eureka Springs, there was our group who traveled from Torrey to EU, but I can't remember anyone else from the west who showed up. Torrey has had more than its share of easterners show up, but who from the west has been to El Paseo or Mayhem (although I do have a Mayhem t-shirt). Same goes for Hill Country; how many from the east vs west? While I haven't counted the numbers, it seems to me that more easterners have a penchant for taveling far than do the westerners. Of course, the reason for that, and the reason for going to Virginia, is that it is so hard to find any decent roads in the east.

[duck]




you futhermucker....

#25985 - 04/12/05 05:02 PM Re: Location, location, location... [Re: Spike]  
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