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#411062 - 11/07/08 09:30 PM Re: Crash at the Dragon-Caught on Film [Re: elkroeger]  
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 Originally Posted By: elkroeger
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I have to wonder if the rider became distracted by the photographer?


You've got to be kidding me. Surely your point is not to somehow blame it on the photographer! There are lots of people and interesting things on the side of the road everywhere I go. My job is two things: Pay attention or stop the bike. That's it.

It is very obvious in the sequence that the rider was playing to the camera. This does not make the accident the photographer's fault. #1 priority on the bike is to ride the bike. Everything else is secondary. Rider exhibited poor judgement.


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#411070 - 11/07/08 09:50 PM Re: Crash at the Dragon-Caught on Film [Re: elkroeger]  
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 Originally Posted By: elkroeger
 Originally Posted By: ESokoloff
I have to wonder if the rider became distracted by the photographer?


You've got to be kidding me. Surely your point is not to somehow blame it on the photographer! There are lots of people and interesting things on the side of the road everywhere I go. My job is two things: Pay attention or stop the bike. That's it.


Good grief.

There's a common theme in this thread, and it is this: anyone asking a question about potential factors in this incident is being accused of assigning blame/responsibility to something other than the rider who crashed. We won't learn much if all we can say is "the rider screwed up," without being able to assess/discuss how the rider screwed up, and what might have made things worse/better for everyone who was involved.

In this particular instance: to suggest that the rider may have been distracted by the photographer is not to blame the photographer at all. If the rider was in fact distracted, it's worthy of mentioning and lesson-learning, e.g. pay attention to where you're going, not to Killboy. It would be hard to fault the photographer in such an accident unless he was taking flash photos with some kinda photon cannon and blinding unsuspecting riders as they came around the bend.

In the case of the SUV driver: he's not to be faulted. BUT, assuming he was distracted by the camera, there's a small chance he could have avoided the collision if he had been watching the road instead. Why is this worth mentioning? If you're in a car and you kill a guy on a bike, you will feel bad for a long time, even if it's not your fault. it's in your interest to do whatever you reasonably can to avoid crashes, even those that aren't your fault.

#411112 - 11/07/08 11:08 PM Re: Crash at the Dragon-Caught on Film [Re: Joe Frickin' Friday]  
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Good point Mitch.

A-Get some good rider training.
B-Dress for the ride
C-Don't ride over your skill level

My guess is he screwed up all of the above. Happens every day. I hope he's OK. I hope he's embarrased as hell. That's not running wide...that's flat missing the curve. Nobody's fault but the rider.


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#411148 - 11/08/08 12:46 AM Re: Crash at the Dragon-Caught on Film [Re: Joe Frickin' Friday]  
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 Originally Posted By: Joe Frickin' Friday
 Originally Posted By: elkroeger
 Originally Posted By: ESokoloff
I have to wonder if the rider became distracted by the photographer?


You've got to be kidding me. Surely your point is not to somehow blame it on the photographer! There are lots of people and interesting things on the side of the road everywhere I go. My job is two things: Pay attention or stop the bike. That's it.


Good grief.

There's a common theme in this thread, and it is this: anyone asking a question about potential factors in this incident is being accused of assigning blame/responsibility to something other than the rider who crashed. We won't learn much if all we can say is "the rider screwed up," without being able to assess/discuss how the rider screwed up, and what might have made things worse/better for everyone who was involved.

In this particular instance: to suggest that the rider may have been distracted by the photographer is not to blame the photographer at all. If the rider was in fact distracted, it's worthy of mentioning and lesson-learning, e.g. pay attention to where you're going, not to Killboy. It would be hard to fault the photographer in such an accident unless he was taking flash photos with some kinda photon cannon and blinding unsuspecting riders as they came around the bend.

In the case of the SUV driver: he's not to be faulted. BUT, assuming he was distracted by the camera, there's a small chance he could have avoided the collision if he had been watching the road instead. Why is this worth mentioning? If you're in a car and you kill a guy on a bike, you will feel bad for a long time, even if it's not your fault. it's in your interest to do whatever you reasonably can to avoid crashes, even those that aren't your fault.


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Please stop trying to have an objective, intelligent discussion. All we're interested in is conclusions that you could put on a bumper sticker.


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#411159 - 11/08/08 01:21 AM Re: Crash at the Dragon-Caught on Film [Re: russell_bynum]  
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I think it was Mitch's fault.

#411162 - 11/08/08 01:33 AM Re: Crash at the Dragon-Caught on Film [Re: smiller]  
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#411182 - 11/08/08 03:14 AM Re: Crash at the Dragon-Caught on Film [Re: smiller]  
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 Originally Posted By: smiller
I think it was Mitch's fault.


Sure. Blame the messenger. OK.



#411252 - 11/08/08 01:26 PM Re: Crash at the Dragon-Caught on Film [Re: Joe Frickin' Friday]  
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Just wanted to throw my 2cents worth in here. I spend my winters ski racing (ALPINE) with helmets and pads and we bang gates several times a week trying to relive our youth. What it does teach you is how to commit to a turn prior to the turn and I believe that if the commitment is not there than what we call "late" to the next gate occurs over and over until you can catch up to the race course. We have racers,observers,photographers standing next to the race course during our events and waving to the crowd will get you into trouble real quick and buying the beer after the race! I have been ski racing and driving a motorcycle for 30 years and i get the same feelings arcing a sweet turn on a RT or on my Fischer race skis. In my humble opinion the commitment to the turn was not in play.



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#411279 - 11/08/08 02:38 PM Re: Crash at the Dragon-Caught on Film [Re: Bologna]  
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You want a bumper sticker?
"Avoid pain, stay in your lane"


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#411368 - 11/08/08 08:36 PM Re: Crash at the Dragon-Caught on Film [Re: upflying]  
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 Originally Posted By: upflying
You want a bumper sticker?
"Avoid pain, stay in your lane"


How about: "Slow down, or go down".


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