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#411376 - 11/08/08 08:55 PM Re: Crash at the Dragon-Caught on Film [Re: MAT2CHI]  
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 Originally Posted By: MAT2CHI
 Originally Posted By: upflying
You want a bumper sticker?
"Avoid pain, stay in your lane"


How about: "Slow down, or go down".

I dunno. I really hate it when the only safety recommendation is "slow down". In this case speed was definitely not the problem, lack of riding well was.


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#411378 - 11/08/08 09:06 PM Re: Crash at the Dragon-Caught on Film [Re: Paul Mihalka]  
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 Originally Posted By: Paul Mihalka
 Originally Posted By: MAT2CHI
 Originally Posted By: upflying
You want a bumper sticker?
"Avoid pain, stay in your lane"


How about: "Slow down, or go down".

I dunno. I really hate it when the only safety recommendation is "slow down". In this case speed was definitely not the problem, lack of riding well was.


For a lot of riders slowing down is the answer. If the rider in the picture went into that turn a little slower he might have made it. Too many riders crash from going into a turn too fast, (or riding beyond their capabilities) and for them my slogan applies. And it was meant to be tongue in cheek.

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#411455 - 11/09/08 02:12 AM Re: Crash at the Dragon-Caught on Film [Re: MAT2CHI]  
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I dunno. I'm just not convinced you are all giving this your best analysis. I studied the riding photo until what was bothering me became clear. If you look at the sequence of pictures again - watch the near-field ground closely from one photo to the next - you'll notice that the pivot point is very close to the road, so this photographer must have been standing in clear view of motorists from both approaches - therefore greatly diminishing the surprise factor.

So, I ask myself, what did our driver and rider see that clearly distracted them up there in the Gap? Well, I digitally enhanced the series, carefully scanning for anomalies (I'm a government trained Intell Analyst, don't try this with commercially available equipment in a non-secure environment). I noted an image reflected in the windshield of the SUV, so I scanned, cropped, and cleaned up the image. Here it is:



I think we can cease the speculation. Now I ask you, how the hell is Ride Smart going to prepare you for that?!! I for one cannot blame the rider. You may feel differently.


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#411459 - 11/09/08 02:56 AM Re: Crash at the Dragon-Caught on Film [Re: Jake]  
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 Originally Posted By: Jake
I dunno. I'm just not convinced you are all giving this your best analysis. I studied the riding photo until what was bothering me became clear. If you look at the sequence of pictures again - watch the near-field ground closely from one photo to the next - you'll notice that the pivot point is very close to the road, so this photographer must have been standing in clear view of motorists from both approaches - therefore greatly diminishing the surprise factor.

So, I ask myself, what did our driver and rider see that clearly distracted them up there in the Gap? Well, I digitally enhanced the series, carefully scanning for anomalies (I'm a government trained Intell Analyst, don't try this with commercially available equipment in a non-secure environment). I noted an image reflected in the windshield of the SUV, so I scanned, cropped, and cleaned up the image. Here it is:



I think we can cease the speculation. Now I ask you, how the hell is Ride Smart going to prepare you for that?!! I for one cannot blame the rider. You may feel differently.


Actually this is a new advertising campaign form BMW.


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#411524 - 11/09/08 10:04 AM Re: Crash at the Dragon-Caught on Film [Re: elkroeger]  
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 Originally Posted By: elkroeger
 Originally Posted By: ESokoloff
I have to wonder if the rider became distracted by the photographer?

..... Surely your point is not to somehow blame it on the photographer!


You are correct.
I'm simply suggesting how the rider might have failed.
I'm not sure how you read my observation any other way


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#411543 - 11/09/08 01:10 PM Re: Crash at the Dragon-Caught on Film [Re: AZKomet]  
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I've rode the dragon last earlier this year and it's one of those places that you have to be very careful not to get caught a bit off guard by fatigue. You go through so many twists and turns that it's easy to simply not pay attention towards the end. Speed is always a factor on that road. When I was there, the LEOs were out in full force. I was going maybe 35 at one point (limit is 30 in that area) and the LEO simply gave me the universal slow down sign. My buddies who were way ahead of me tend to go much faster than I do, so I know they were probably well above 30 in this area.

Anyhow, sad event, hope the rider learns to stay in their lane and has a full recovery.


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#411545 - 11/09/08 01:15 PM Re: Crash at the Dragon-Caught on Film [Re: Paul Mihalka]  
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#411553 - 11/09/08 01:36 PM Re: Crash at the Dragon-Caught on Film [Re: Paul Mihalka]  
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y681_PBAmc

Watch this and decide on speed,line,commitment. Just my 2 cents worth from a different perspective.



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#412647 - 11/12/08 09:41 PM Re: Crash at the Dragon-Caught on Film [Re: Bologna]  
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How about HALFGATT!!! Sneaks and jeans don't cut it. One of two things will happen. He'll armour up or quit ridin!!


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