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#512885 - 08/26/09 02:56 AM Re: UN - Check in! [Re: Kathy R]  
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<<<<<<<<<I'm ridin' with her... grin

Ah yes, group riding. Always an experience. tongue

Nice post Jamie.

Makes ya think.

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#512909 - 08/26/09 03:45 AM Re: UN - Check in! [Re: mbelectric]  
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Part of the Pied Piper experience is realizing that one will be riding with both the stop and smell the roses as well as the tank to tank riders and all showing some tolerance. This Pied Piper run went extremely smoothly. The roughest spots were actually quite humorous (GPS Madness day, and turtle wacking hare day grin )
Also, everyone just praying my radio would quit as the insufficient ground isolation on the PTT circuit made my transmissions loud and distorted. To the point of actually being told to shut up... Only to be asked for info later grin dopeslap

All in all, I wouldn't have traded a moment for anything else....... welllll... except for that moment in Yellowstone where my front tire was plowing through the mud/gravel of the road construction without an ounce of grip..........


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#512941 - 08/26/09 04:57 AM Re: UN - Check in! [Re: SageRider]  
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Group riding is certainly not for everyone and as much as Leslie and I enjoyed the PPR on the way out, we equally enjoyed the freedom to not plan much at all and dally as we wanted on the ride home. Just as there is the freedom to do what you want riding solo, there is the . . . "magic" that happens when you're riding with a group of like-minded riders flying through the countryside and sharing the experience. Ask anyone who's done it and I'd say most have a positive recollection as well as stories that will last them a lifetime. Things like "the Tunnel of Death" are SO much better when shared! rofl

I've run into riders on the road traveling alone and the one thing many of them comment on is they like the solo riding, but they get tired of eating alone at the end of the day in a strange place. Many of us here are introverted and anti-social enough to think that might not to be a problem, but if you can find a like-minded group and adapt your riding style and needs to fit, it's a unique experience that has no equal.

Plus, riding sweep has some really neat views! thumbsup

This is the image that got me hooked:




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#512942 - 08/26/09 05:04 AM Re: UN - Check in! [Re: KMG_365]  
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Originally Posted By: KMG_365


This is the image that got me hooked:



Indeed....

An image from the UnRally 09 still lingers in my mind...the aborted Mt Washington run a 4am...12+ bikes runnin' east on Route 2...taillights blazin'..
wickin' it up to make up for the wrong turn... grin

Good stuff. thumbsup

Perhaps a 4am run (UnRally 2010) to Monitor pass for a sunrise...and no mooses.. grin

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#513124 - 08/26/09 04:18 PM Re: UN - Check in! [Re: KMG_365]  
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Originally Posted By: KMG_365
To be fair, I am to blame for not communicating clearly and assuming everyone would have the same interpretation of ambiguous terms like "Express bus" or "we're not stopping". grin

Leslie and I may ride faster on our own bikes, but on one bike loaded down with gear for traveling cross-country, having the responsibility of bearing the Queen safely to the UnRally on unfamiliar roads and in the rain . . . I admittedly dialed it back a bit.

But there is a valuable lesson here and it's one that I thought I had learned many years ago: the importance of the pre-ride "rider meeting". As the leader of my group I failed in that and I take full responsibility. When the departure from Steve and Kelly's got bumped up 15 minutes due to the rain starting I was not as prepared as the rest and we had no time to meet before departing. Then when the restaurant got crowded and the one waitress was trying desperately to keep her head above water as my table was last to be served I tried to put my table's bill on one check to speed things up. She had already divided everything up so it took every bit as long and it meant that everyone else was already out in the rain waiting on ME or had already gassed up down the street waiting on me again with helmets on--and again no meeting. Two of our group had no radios so they could not follow the conversation over the air. It's unfair to them NOT to let them know what's going on and it's unsafe to just leave them hanging wondering WTF is going on when one or more of the folks with radios change the initial plan on the fly. IMHO, one (in this case I, as ride leader) has an obligation to stop the group and fill them in on the change of plans. Some of us had not ridden together before and we had different ranges with respect to gas tank and bladder capacity. This is no one's fault--but it must be recognized and addressed ahead of time in the rider meeting to avoid problems (I did not do that). True, some of us were perhaps not being honest with ourselves about our preferences/needs/limitations and a group relies on its members' candor to get down the road in a timely fashion while having fun doing it.

One of the advantages of testing oneself against the Iron Butt Association's benchmarks is in refining one's riding style, stretching one's range/comfort zone and knowing one's limits. I could no more "hang" with "Eebie" doing the "Iron Butt Rally" (11,000+ miles in 11 days) than some others could "hang" with Leslie and I doing a 50CC (Coast-to-coast in <50 hours). I barely managed to complete the Bun Burner Gold (1500 miles in 24 hours) ride--my two riding buddies carried me and it kicked my ass. The key is in knowing where along that very broad "Sport Touring" continuum your personal comfort and riding style lies. "Are we talking about a 'Bun Burner Gold' pace or a 'Saddle Sore 1000' pace or just a 'smell the roses pace' so I can plan appropriately"? grin

I've noticed that geography plays a significant part in the "default" one chooses to measure a ride. In the West you frequently need to cross a thousand miles or more just to get to somewhere else fun to ride. You can also get there fairly fast if you limit your stop time and handle as many details en route as possible. Bike-to-bike radios make this an incredibly efficient way to move a group down the road and I see now why ArizonaAl carries so many spare parts on group rides--even if you can only monitor the conversation--you're not left out in the cold. I was hooked on radios my first group ride with some of the founding members of this Forum and I can't look back. Whereas in the East, it seems to me you can't usually get as far as fast so the "default" of what is considered a "long ride" is a bit shorter.

I don't want anyone feeling bad about the group ride we had--it came off incredibly well considering the disparate group we cobbled together for that last leg. For the K-bike riders: you have a right to be concerned about gas range when riding with fuel tankers like the 1200RT's--hell, even I was the weak link on the way out with my puny 1150RT and it's 37 mpg loaded down in the wind. Know your needs and communicate them ahead of time--if it's no fun for you, why do it? For the pillions: you frequently have a harder job riding on the back--and don't let your pilot tell you otherwise until they've ridden back there for a day themselves! tongue

This gives me a good idea for a post to have riders attempt to accurately describe or somehow quantify their riding style for hooking up with compatible riders they've never ridden with before at a gathering or doing a Pied Piper Run in the future. Hmmm, I'm going to have to give that one some thought! thumbsup

Anyway, Leslie and I had a GREAT time! I apologize for contributing any stress to the group in any way (but I was admittedly a bit "barn sour" myself towards the end) and I don't want anyone to feel like they were "the culprit" in any "who done it" scenario. It's no easy feat taking a very diverse group of a dozen or so bikes--a few of them two-up--and getting them down the road together safely over wet, foreign roads. We had no serious problems and everyone arrived safely at the UnRally--which is, AFAIC, the "Prime Directive" for such rides. Besides, if Jan hadn't needed to stop to feed his blood sugar demons, we would have missed seeing Tom "3Putt" and Joyce in Montpelier, VT! Since they had to cancel from the Pied Piper Run, that was one of the highlights of the day for me!

Blab, blab, blab.

You’re just slow. laugh grin


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#513148 - 08/26/09 05:07 PM Re: UN - Check in! [Re: Ken H.]  
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rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

Nope, he was just conserving finite resources wave


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#513166 - 08/26/09 05:43 PM Re: UN - Check in! [Re: KMG_365]  
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Originally Posted By: KMG_365
...it meant that everyone else was already out in the rain waiting on ME or had already gassed up down the street waiting on me again with helmets on.


Now who is everyone waiting on again? Oh, how easy the propaganda begins with a tiny fact...without the benefit of the whole story. I seem to remember this one time, at band camp:




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#513179 - 08/26/09 06:07 PM Re: UN - Check in! [Re: mbelectric]  
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Originally Posted By: mbelectric
Originally Posted By: KMG_365
This is the image that got me hooked:

Indeed....
An image from the UnRally 09 still lingers in my mind...the aborted Mt Washington run a 4am...12+ bikes runnin' east on Route 2...taillights blazin'..
wickin' it up to make up for the wrong turn... grin

Good stuff. thumbsup


I have to agree, riding pre-sweep was pretty neat. Watching the red tail-lights, the amber marker lights, (and Armando's almost-blinding HID light,) was really cool.


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#513189 - 08/26/09 06:29 PM Re: UN - Check in! [Re: Woodie]  
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As usual, I was freeloading on Jamie's fine preparation of the PPR and having a literal BALL, could barely contain myself on the radio.

Jean and I could have easily broke off at about any point and trudged ahead on our own, but, no way in hell was I going to miss this ride!

On stops, Jean and I tend to partake in everything available like it is the last chance for unknown hours, including top off gas, bathroom, split a gatorade and trailmix snack. Loved it and highly recommend to ones with radios.

No one in my local club uses radios, can't even begin to relate to them what they are missing.

Picture is group as escorted from Rocer's place in Minden Hills.


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#513253 - 08/26/09 08:18 PM Re: UN - Check in! [Re: dhanson]  
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Originally Posted By: dhanson
As usual, I was freeloading on Jamie's fine preparation of the PPR and having a literal BALL, could barely contain myself on the radio.
To be fair, I really didn't prep anything on this ride. Jan and Michael did the lion's share of the prep and planning for the first few days. Paul "rocer" lead us out from his place in Ontario and SAMSAR had three different routes laid out from Steve's place to the UnRally. I just happened to ask Ken to put the routes in my GPS and ended up leading part of the group that day. I might have been better prepared had I been involved from the beginning, but I was underwater right up until we left so I was very grateful that others did almost all the work and I could also freeload! thumbsup

And Ken and Richard . . . you will pay! grin


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