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#639013 - 09/24/10 12:54 AM Re: BMW R1200RT vs Honda ST1300 [Re: dduelin]
mig Offline
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Registered: 08/01/09
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Dave
true that. The motor does rock at low RPM's. but at cruise it is very smooth and has a nice gruntal sound. Coming from 16 years on my 95 ST I expected some shake but past the low end its pretty smooth. I do miss my V4 but this bike just rocks in so many positive ways.
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#639575 - 09/26/10 02:17 PM Re: BMW R1200RT vs Honda ST1300 [Re: N214RR]
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Registered: 02/19/10
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N214RR

Excellent and honest write up.
As others have said it before me. The V4 motor awesome so as the trans, but for the rest of the features the RT wins the cake.

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#639781 - 09/27/10 10:07 AM Re: BMW R1200RT vs Honda ST1300 [Re: SuperG]
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Originally Posted By: Lov2fly
N214RR

Excellent and honest write up.
As others have said it before me. The V4 motor awesome so as the trans, but for the rest of the features the RT wins the cake.


I have always thought the R1200Rt with the Honda's engine.
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#639984 - 09/27/10 07:27 PM Re: BMW R1200RT vs Honda ST1300 [Re: dduelin]
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Originally Posted By: dduelin
It is charming in a bike developed and refined since the early part of the last century - but can't the engineers refine the boxer to standards of power and smoothness obtained by other manufacturers 4 decades ago?


That's "character" you're referring to smirk

Vibration is so subjective. I climb off my thumper and think the RT motor is as smooth as a sewing machine.

Thanks to the OP for the initial write up. Very well done.
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#640762 - 09/29/10 10:23 PM Re: BMW R1200RT vs Honda ST1300 [Re: outpost22]
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Registered: 10/29/06
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I have had both the ST1300 and the 1200RT. I dont have alot of good to say about the Honda. The gauges are hard to read in sunlight, its hotter than hell on the boys (and the glove compartment will melt things)...., low ground clearance and always scraping pegs, suspension was awfull, areodynamics were a joke, bike was unstable above 80 mph, way too much to dislike on one bike. On the other hand the 1200RT was a complete marvel to ride. Quite possibly the best motorcycle I have ridden to date. I have nothing but good things to say about it and its the one bike I regret selling. I dont ride a BMW but thats from reliability/maintenace issues. If i were to go back to BMW it would most likely be another RT.


I should also note my ST had the lean surge issue. Anytime the bike went above 2000ft in elevation the motor would surge and quite heavily at times. The Honda dealer was no help and looking on the forums, I found I was not the only one with the issue. This took the joy out of the engine for me.


Edited by cali_beemer (09/29/10 10:26 PM)
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#640907 - 09/30/10 11:33 AM Re: BMW R1200RT vs Honda ST1300 [Re: cali_beemer]
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Registered: 02/23/07
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Originally Posted By: cali_beemer
I have had both the ST1300 and the 1200RT. I dont have alot of good to say about the Honda. The gauges are hard to read in sunlight, its hotter than hell on the boys (and the glove compartment will melt things)...., low ground clearance and always scraping pegs, suspension was awfull, areodynamics were a joke, bike was unstable above 80 mph, way too much to dislike on one bike. On the other hand the 1200RT was a complete marvel to ride. Quite possibly the best motorcycle I have ridden to date. I have nothing but good things to say about it and its the one bike I regret selling. I dont ride a BMW but thats from reliability/maintenace issues. If i were to go back to BMW it would most likely be another RT.


I should also note my ST had the lean surge issue. Anytime the bike went above 2000ft in elevation the motor would surge and quite heavily at times. The Honda dealer was no help and looking on the forums, I found I was not the only one with the issue. This took the joy out of the engine for me.



WOW!!!! Now there's a man of passion!

Why don't you tell us what you really think Cali?


Edited by Dave_zoom_zoom (09/30/10 11:35 AM)

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#641404 - 10/01/10 06:08 PM Re: BMW R1200RT vs Honda ST1300 [Re: drodg]
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Registered: 09/11/10
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Originally Posted By: drodg
Originally Posted By: Lov2fly
N214RR

Excellent and honest write up.
As others have said it before me. The V4 motor awesome so as the trans, but for the rest of the features the RT wins the cake.


I have always thought the R1200Rt with the Honda's engine.


Good way to put it, but only IF you can have the V4 without any extra weight or heat.
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#641407 - 10/01/10 06:14 PM Re: BMW R1200RT vs Honda ST1300 [Re: outpost22]
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Registered: 09/11/10
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Originally Posted By: outpost22
Originally Posted By: dduelin
It is charming in a bike developed and refined since the early part of the last century - but can't the engineers refine the boxer to standards of power and smoothness obtained by other manufacturers 4 decades ago?


That's "character" you're referring to smirk

Vibration is so subjective. I climb off my thumper and think the RT motor is as smooth as a sewing machine.



The RT motor is definitely not as smooth as the Honda V4, but I don't find it objectionable. At highway speed the mirrors on the ST are crystal clear, the RT's have just a very slight blur. Still very clear, just not as clear as the Honda's mirrors. The vibration felt in the grips is not even noticable to me.

Also I like the RT's sound better than the V4.
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2009 BMW R1200RT
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2002 Honda XR200R
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#641410 - 10/01/10 06:23 PM Re: BMW R1200RT vs Honda ST1300 [Re: N214RR]
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This is off subject.

N214RR
Did you build the RV-4 or bought it fully built.
Either way, I am envious(very). smile

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#642111 - 10/04/10 07:15 PM Re: BMW R1200RT vs Honda ST1300 [Re: SuperG]
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Built it, and thanks, it's quite the hotrod.






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2007 Suzuki V-Strom 650
2002 Honda XR200R
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