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#643033 - 10/07/10 04:42 PM Re: Heard a wind turbine? [Re: Ken H.]  
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Originally Posted By: Ken H.
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C'mon Ken, what don't you get? People just like to complain! laugh

Yeah, some people would complain about a free pass into heaven.

This particular one really irks me though because in the big picture I can see very little negative about wind power. But still people...

Shish.


I think NIMBY applies. "Yah, wind power is great, just put it somewhere else, will ya!"

#643179 - 10/07/10 10:56 PM Re: Heard a wind turbine? [Re: Joe Frickin' Friday]  
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Am I the only one that thinks they are pretty darn cool looking? If the village would let me I would have a small one in my yard.

#643181 - 10/07/10 11:11 PM Re: Heard a wind turbine? [Re: Ken H.]  
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Originally Posted By: Ken H.
Originally Posted By: Curious Jorge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_effects_of_wind_power#Birds

People complain about they’re ugly. But they’re not ugly. At least not more so than a coal power plant, or an industrial park, or a mass of cube high-rise buildings.


I think they are ugly, butt-ugly. The companies won't even paint them some color that blends in the background. No, stark white is apparently the color they got buy on at Home Depot, or something.

It's their butt-ugly footprint that annoys me -if there's a less efficient means of power generation in terms of watts per square foot of land defaced with no other reward I haven't seen it. There is wind farm in Oregon & Washington, both sides of the Columbia River and alongside US97, that must cover 200 square miles, all told. Betcha they could generate as much power out of a nuke plant in 10% of that footprint, including nuke waste storage.

I'd take a coal-fired plant there over what I see now any day.

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#643187 - 10/07/10 11:36 PM Re: Heard a wind turbine? [Re: Pilgrim]  
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Nuke plants are probably easily the most efficient form of energy generation we have but we'll never get over the risk aversion factor, in spite of the fact that some countries (e.g., France) get 75% of their power from nuclear generation.


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#643190 - 10/07/10 11:43 PM Re: Heard a wind turbine? [Re: Joe Frickin' Friday]  
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Originally Posted By: Curious Jorge
Originally Posted By: Ken H.
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Much of the debate about them seems to be the hazards they present to birds.

You know I keep hearing that. Seems like an easy question to answer, are there piles and piles of dead birds under them or not?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_effects_of_wind_power#Birds
" At the Altamont Pass Wind Farm in California, continued efforts to reduce raptor and other bird mortality, including seasonal shutdowns, have proved ineffective."

This is apparently where most of the bird evidence was initially taken from, what they discovered was that the cows grazing under the turbines were actually causing the problem for raptors. The field mice use cow patties as their homes and there was a very healthy population, raptors watched for the mice and dived down to catch them apparently not noticing the turbines. Birds in normal flight seem to able to avoid them. (per Utah State University study) The Altamont turbines are also small and the blades move much faster than the newer bigger units.

#643194 - 10/07/10 11:51 PM Re: Heard a wind turbine? [Re: Pilgrim]  
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Originally Posted By: Pilgrim

I'd take a coal-fired plant there over what I see now any day.


I just did the exercise by googling images.
'Wind turbine farm' = 9,070,000 hits.
'Coal-fired power plant' = 2,050,000 hits.

So it seems a lot more people are interested in photographing the wind turbines. I'd say that a good portion of those pictures were taken by those that enjoy looking at the wind towers.

I know that it's not a real scientific approach, but it must mean something. Myself, I much prefer gazing at the towers than a huge chimney belching out smoke.


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#643219 - 10/08/10 12:35 AM Re: Heard a wind turbine? [Re: KDeline]  
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Originally Posted By: KDeline
Am I the only one that thinks they are pretty darn cool looking? If the village would let me I would have a small one in my yard.
Opinion is sharply divided in my mother's town, my mother likes them especially when the sun makes them shine pink in the evening. Her sister hates them and calls them names.

#643321 - 10/08/10 10:30 AM Re: Heard a wind turbine? [Re: Ken H.]  
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Originally Posted By: Ken H.
Sure is a good thing coal fired power plants are so dang quiet.



I was thinking the very same thing Ken!

They've been building a new coal fired plant in the SW portion of Arkansas for 6-7 years now and the enviromentalists have fought it tooth and nail. First it was the mercury it puts off and now it's the endangered yellow-bellied snail darter somthing or other. All the while lawyers are reaping the $$$ in the various court cases. They may never get it finished.

I'd take wind turbine whoosh whoosh anyday!


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#643367 - 10/08/10 01:45 PM Re: Heard a wind turbine? [Re: Pilgrim]  
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Originally Posted By: Pilgrim

I'd take a coal-fired plant there over what I see now any day.

Pilgrim



Then you won't mind one in your back yard with smoke blowing into your house. I'll take a windmill in mine.

#643400 - 10/08/10 03:45 PM Re: Heard a wind turbine? [Re: KDeline]  
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Originally Posted By: KDeline
Am I the only one that thinks they are pretty darn cool looking? If the village would let me I would have a small one in my yard.

I like the look too. But then, I have posters of rockeships in my classroom.


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