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#662433 - 12/16/10 12:34 PM Re: Hybrid Hatred (Volt related) [Re: IT_Mike]  
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Here's a softball - is the Volvo S40 even available here in the US? Because all I see is a gas version rated 21MPG city - less than half of a Prius, less than 1/6 of a Volt. That's not a solution. The rest about being ugly, uncomfortable, and poorly performing is opinion, which you're certainly entitled to.

Jeremy's flip-flop on the Prius to impress Cameron Diaz was one of the greatest moments of the show, and truly shows that the Prius can be made to appeal to nearly anyone, even if the reasons aren't directly related to the car!

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#662439 - 12/16/10 01:29 PM Re: Hybrid Hatred (Volt related) [Re: markgoodrich]  
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Originally Posted By: markgoodrich
...I think those of us who can afford to should step up and be beta testers for the various technologies which we've seen and will be seeing...
...but, as I said, I see an obligation to beta test, to get the vehicles out there, see how they work, let others see they work...


I suspect you would have felt very differently if your Camry or Prius had turned out to be a total POS.

Around thirty years ago, American manufacturers and drivers were beta testing diesel engines for passenger cars. Did you happen to beta-test one of those?

#662440 - 12/16/10 01:42 PM Re: Hybrid Hatred (Volt related) [Re: Joe Frickin' Friday]  
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Have they redesigned the Prius for the driver?
I tried to get behind the wheel a couple of years ago and could not, literally, get behind the wheel without crawling on seats laying down bending legs and being pulled behind the wheel.
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I'm lucky I didn't actually go there because I might still be stuck.
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Small, clean, turbo diesels.
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I am concerned about the batteries and the whole life cycle disposal issue.

Sort of like the ubiquitous CFL's now that traditional light bulbs are heading towards the ban date.
They have mercury issues wrt disposal.
On a thread years ago I linked the EPA's page about the clean up involved for a broken CFL.
It will boggle your mind, did mine.
So, those types of concerns related to batteries are my first objection.
Second, subsidies for a vehicle that discriminates against tall people, no way.
lurk

I think Greg has a very excellent point, and Ken's too.
I'd love to see high speed rail come to fruition.
LA to San Fran in 3 hours.
I don't know that as a Society we're ready for a dramatic shift just yet.
Gas is available, relatively inexpensive.

So, when I see a Prius, I think the driver is vertically challenged.
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Looking forward to seeing how the Volt stacks up and what the next big thing in transportation mpg/cpm actually turns out to be...


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#662477 - 12/16/10 03:39 PM Re: Hybrid Hatred (Volt related) [Re: IT_Mike]  
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Anyone got the details of these subsidies? Are they for high mpg or do they target specific technologies. I know the last administration was big on hydrogen fuel cells, but I don't see them big in the market.

To what extent are the subsidies for fuel efficient vehicles offset by the reduced use of the subsidies for fuel?


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#662506 - 12/16/10 06:09 PM Re: Hybrid Hatred (Volt related) [Re: IT_Mike]  
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Originally Posted By: IT_Mike
Besides which, they're ugly, uncomfortable, poorly performing vehicles generally driven by 'holier than thou' elitists.


I tend to agree but talking about BMW motorcycles like that on this board isn't going to get a lot of sympathy.


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#662512 - 12/16/10 06:22 PM Re: Hybrid Hatred (Volt related) [Re: leikam]  
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Originally Posted By: leikam
Originally Posted By: IT_Mike
Besides which, they're ugly, uncomfortable, poorly performing vehicles generally driven by 'holier than thou' elitists.


I tend to agree but talking about BMW motorcycles like that on this board isn't going to get a lot of sympathy.


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#662540 - 12/16/10 08:13 PM Re: Hybrid Hatred (Volt related) [Re: David13]  
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Originally Posted By: David13
I like Prius.
What I think to be a pathetic waste of 4 cylinders, is a v8.
Power? To race? Where, up to the next stoplight, then stomp on the brakes?
Here the Prius drive way too fast. It would be nice if any of them ever did just 55. I have never seen it here.
I think I would have to be an idiot to stereotype the "Prius driver".
They probably are as different as any other group. Just a little more intelligent.
And less wasteful.
What about all the monster pick ups, and suvs with lousy gas mileage, and one person in them, clogging up the roads, and polluting the air.
That's the smart way to go?
I disagree.
dc



rofl rofl rofl I have no idea why Jeremy Clarkson call's them 'smugmobiles.' grin


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#662545 - 12/16/10 08:19 PM Re: Hybrid Hatred (Volt related) [Re: chrisolson]  
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Moshe I think its an admirable thing you did in buying the Prius if for no other reason than to make a statement in regard to our dependence on oil from the middle east. The significance of similarly designed vehicles is not and will not be a long term solution. The greater significance is that we and industry realize we have a problem to solve. I don't believe that the auto industry is going to be the big answer to this problem. I believe the answer is going to be public transportation of some sort.


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#662548 - 12/16/10 08:25 PM Re: Hybrid Hatred (Volt related) [Re: lawnchairboy]  
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Originally Posted By: lawnchairboy
Steve, you can't get the hall pass for what you want to say, but I bet I would have enjoyed reading it.


Chris, it would have been a masterpiece suitable for framing. But, alas, that work of art shall forever remain hidden from view. grin


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#662549 - 12/16/10 08:27 PM Re: Hybrid Hatred (Volt related) [Re: David13]  
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Originally Posted By: David13
I like Prius.
What I think to be a pathetic waste of 4 cylinders, is a v8.
Power? To race? Where, up to the next stoplight, then stomp on the brakes?


I will make a deal with you. Let me hook my boat up to your Prius and we can see how far your prius gets. Then we will check your opinion on that statement again. My guess is when you realize the shocks have ruptured from their mounts and in turn shot through the body work and that the resistance of your frame sitting on the asphalt prohibits any movement, you may see the ignornorance in your previous comment. Even if that chassis were to handle the weight, you may start to see the benfits of a V-8 when the 4 cylinder cant get up a hill and in turn, rolls backward down the hill. And to think, people wonder why there is a stereotype of un-informed treehuggers that drive a prius.....


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