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#66791 - 01/13/06 12:10 AM Re: 2006 UnRally: Planning update [Re: steveknapp]  
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Okay, no massage person to be available.

And, since this is the case, no BBQ, no tents, no shirts, no stickers... All vendors...


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#66792 - 01/13/06 01:03 AM Re: 2006 UnRally: Planning update [Re: Tasker]  
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And, since this is the case, no BBQ, no tents, no shirts, no stickers... All vendors...


These things you mention are all benefitting all those who attend the rally. Massage benefits only a few.

I really don't care. I just wanted to raise the point as I do think that a few people might give you shit about this.

I'd rather you heard it from a friend.


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#66793 - 01/13/06 01:11 AM Re: 2006 UnRally: Planning update [Re: steveknapp]  
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It's not a service everyone needs/wants like food. There's no group dynamic, like a group dinner.




We don't need this stuff either. If we were to follow the intent and the spirit of the "UN"rally, we would just tell everyone when and where to show up to ride. Period. We wouldn't offer a package that includes a shirt, sticker, a BBQ dinner, etc. Everyone could just figure out on their own where to stay or camp without the benefit of group rates and "Hey, maybe we'll see you on ther road, maybe not!" Also, the cost of tents that would be rented and errected for our crew to stand under in case of fowl weather also is figured into the rally fee.

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I thought, for example, Al was being asked to do business behind closed doors. It was a can of worms you didn't want to open.




For the 2006 UN, I haven't talked with Al. I'm not afraid to open a can of worms with him or other vendors, but part of the parameters for upcoming UNs is that we do not allow PRODUCT vendors, and here's where I differentiate vendors.

The PRODUCT vendors, i.e. Al, Cyclegadgets, etc. don't really enhance our UN. If we brought on these vendors, then they require a certain level of work for the UN committee, and the original godfathers of this event choose not to have them join us, because of the added work and the politics involved.

But, vendors like the tent guy, the BBQ crew, the shirt printer, the sticker maker, and yes, even someone who would offer their services to rub your neck or do your nails, add some value to the event. I would imagine that there are those attendees out there who could care less about having a tee-shirt or sticker, and they really aren't that interested in eating catered food, but we go ahead and do it anyway.

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you're not only saying that it's OK for them to do business at the Un, but you're encouraging them to join us!




Encouraging them to join us? That's a bit over the top, frankly. My thought was that this person would be made aware of our group, maybe offer us a discounted fee for service, and if someone wanted to use this person, then there would be a phone number that could be called. They wouldn't be "joining" us.

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How is it different than Al's earplugs? Or cyclegadgets? Or... They are all nice services. I don't see how massage stands out above the others.




Al and Cyclegadgets and all the others offer products, not service. The massage idea doesn't stand out "above" the others, and I never said it does, but it is very different, as I stated above.

IMHO, there isn't anything that Al or other product vendors offer that increases the overall value of our event. Are they good products? Of course they are, and I personally use them, but they don't add value. A good BBQ, etc. adds value for most.

Hey, this was an idea that I floated. The idea sunk. No big deal. I was looking for ways to enhance and increase the value to our group, and maybe do something different and fun.

I won't even dare bring up some of my other ideas!


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#66794 - 01/13/06 01:19 AM Re: 2006 UnRally: Planning update [Re: steveknapp]  
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These things you mention are all benefitting all those who attend the rally.




Yes yes. But, they aren't nesessary.

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Massage benefits only a few.




So what? There are those who don't eat the catered BBQ. Last year, we had people ask us if they could save a few bucks by not getting the tee-shirt. A message person wouldn't cost anyone who doesn't want the service a penny. Big difference...

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I do think that a few people might give you shit about this.




No problem, wouldn't be the first or the last time, but I appreciate you looking out for my welfare!


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#66795 - 01/13/06 01:36 AM Re: 2006 UnRally: Planning update [Re: steveknapp]  
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One more thought.

This event has become a lot more than just a few days of riding, and it brings people who don't ride much or at all, like your wife and new baby, other S/Os and maybe some guys or gals who do ride but not all the time.

My intent of coming up with some different services and ideas about what could be offered was to enance this event for the non-riders, instead of them doing nothing or not having many options.

When I do an event, I try to think about more than just those of us who will be gone on our bikes all day, and try to make it fun and interesting for everyone.

I'm thinking about things like (hotel) shuttles to town for those who could be stuck without transportation, what other events are going on in the area, i.e. festivals, exhibits, shopping, etc., services that some of us may or not need, i.e. hardware, tires, med-checks, etc.

These are the kinds of things that will be put into list form for those who might be interested, not costing anyone anything, only a service for the local chamber.


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#66796 - 01/13/06 03:32 PM Re: 2006 UnRally: Planning update [Re: Tasker]  
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Hey guys,

Just a quick, external perspective here. Although it's obvious that everyone here only has the best intentions and no one can fault anyone for how much they want to make this thing great - it's been my experience that all anyone really cares about is riding and eating large amounts of food together before and/or after the day (and the story telling implicit in the eating part).

Now, I happen to love a good message and all - but I'm also in solid touch with my feminine side. But I don't think such things are worth arguing over. If they're there, great. If not, I don't believe anyone will truly miss it. The same goes for T-shirts, internet access, temporary tattoos, well-designed porcelain figurines, etc., etc. And I'm the one who put a boat-load of effort into making T-shirts for Mayhem the first few times.

Anything you want to do is great. But please remember, we tend to be a simple group who likes to ride, eat and bullshit - not necessarily in that order. It's not worth arguing over the other little stuff.

Just my humble (feminine-adjusted) perspective.

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#66797 - 01/21/06 08:15 PM Re: 2006 UnRally: Planning update [Re: Voodoo]  
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Agreed.

I just know that planning an event like this brings out the worst of the best, and the marmite of the worst.

I just saw a spot where some might cry "foul" and wanted to point it out. No hard feelings.


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#66798 - 01/22/06 04:02 AM Re: 2006 UnRally: Planning update [Re: steveknapp]  
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No hard feelings.




Whatever...


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#66799 - 04/07/06 09:28 PM Re: 2006 UnRally: Planning update [Re: Tasker]  
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Just thought I would let you know that we (UnCommittee) are close to posting the UnRally website and registration process. I am hopeful that this will happen next week.

I would like your feedback on something:

Right now, I have the same caterer that was used in 2002 set-up to provide dinner for our group again this year. His group will provide several meat options, and all the sides and fixins. He was supremely popular in 2002.

Due to availability / service issues, we will not be offering the breakfast routine to our group, which in the past included things like donuts, juice and coffee. Since there are ample options for breakfast in the Gunnison area, this should not be a problem.

So, would you like to have a second group meal?

Right now, we are scheduled to have our one group dinner on Wednesday, June 21st. We could add a second dinner for the night before or for the last night, or maybe have them on Tuesday and Thursday evenings. I've broached the topic with the caterer to see what his schedule says.

I was thinking that maybe he could do a fried chicken dinner as the second option.

The pizza option is still out there, but as we've all experienced, there is always a problem with getting all the pies to us at the same time, due to baking capacity issues, and we would have the same problem this year. This is why I thought it might be better to have another dinner catered by the same guy, but different food.

Thoughts?


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#66800 - 04/08/06 01:35 AM Re: 2006 UnRally: Planning update [Re: Tasker]  
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Could you get a massage while eating fried chicken?


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