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#760916 - 02/21/12 07:37 AM Re: Scorned for positive image...? [Re: moshe_levy]
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Just this very moment: Sitting in a Walmart parking lot checking my email when a Latina woman with a car full of kids pulls up to my door. I thought she was parking her car and I wondered why she chose to park so close to me. Then the windows came down and the kids started waving "Watch Tower" magazines at me. "Oh, I get it now, she isnt parking, she's proselytizing!".

Even Jehovah Witnesses have a world view to sell us. Is it the right world view? It is to some, and that's fine with me. Glad they found a place where they can be happy.
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#760937 - 02/21/12 08:54 AM Re: Scorned for positive image...? [Re: beemerman2k]
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The Christian Bible is, IMHO, such a convoluted mess of contradictions, parables, metaphors, and just plain old lack of clarity, that it can (and is) used to support just about any position on just about anything.

And in keeping with that theme grin, when I see the Tim Tebow thing; Matthew 6:6 comes to mind.

That being said, I don’t really give a rat’s ___ one way or the other. For one thing I don’t watch football. But in a bigger scope, I’m quite capable of slamming the door (actually or figuratively) in the face of anyone trying to push their religion on me, regardless of flavor, without a second thought. I have much better, and more interesting things, to burn brain cycles on!

I don’t resent it or get all worked up about it, I just dismiss it out of hand. An approach that I think would serve more people well that starting yet another war (of any size). “There’s nothing to see here, move on.”
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#760949 - 02/21/12 09:19 AM Re: Scorned for positive image...? [Re: Ken H.]
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A huge problem with human thinking is that we approach various issues as though they are completely one sided without any other legitimate perspectives. We like to learn point, but we are not so hot on learning counterpoint.. I find this to be true of both religion and of political issues, and that's why these issues are so toxic to discuss.

Ideologies serve us in that they enable us to deeply explore a subject with all of its finer points and nuances. But ideologies have their problems as well: 1) they divorce us from reality (we only see life through the lens of the ideology), and they divorce us from ourselves (we lose touch with our own deeply held convictions that differ from that which we are taught).

Everyday I see in the news radical acts prompted by ideologies: suicide bombings, wars, oppression of anothers freedoms and/or rights, dehumanization, even acts and behaviors that contradict the precepts of the ideology done in the name of the ideology!

Humans seem completely blind, and seem incapable of, recognizing when an ideology is at work in our thinking.

For me personally, I often ask myself this question: why am I resistant to exposing myself to any given information out there? What do I fear, learnig something that might question my world view? If so, I take it as an indicator that I am livIng with an ideology.

To me, all knowledge is good knowledge! Also, all knowledge must continually be questioned and held to the light of public scrutiny. If I cannot defend my position before critics, then I have to consider their objections and use them to challenge/refine my thinking. In short, I reserve the right to learn from everyone, regardless of their world view.
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#760957 - 02/21/12 09:45 AM Re: Scorned for positive image...? [Re: DaveTheAffable]
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Hey James, isn’t this a hijack? (Sorry couldn’t resist, reference your comment re. hijacking in the RIP thread. wink )

I know, I often lament the apparent decline in critical thinking skills in our current society. We seem to be loosing our ability for observational analysis, the ability to indentify pros and cons of a subject, and to if not understand, then at least recognize, various perspectives.

Early in his career Stephen Colbert coined the term, “Truthiness – The quality of stating concepts one wishes or believes to be true, rather than the facts.” I think that mindset drives more and more people these days; facts just get in the way of the truth.

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#760990 - 02/21/12 12:36 PM Re: Scorned for positive image...? [Re: beemerman2k]
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Originally Posted By: beemerman2k
Just this very moment: Sitting in a Walmart parking lot checking my email when a Latina woman with a car full of kids pulls up to my door. I thought she was parking her car and I wondered why she chose to park so close to me. Then the windows came down and the kids started waving "Watch Tower" magazines at me. "Oh, I get it now, she isnt parking, she's proselytizing!".

Even Jehovah Witnesses have a world view to sell us. Is it the right world view? It is to some, and that's fine with me. Glad they found a place where they can be happy.


Hehe, look at the Bourbon Street Webcam and notice the redshirts. They ain't selling booze!
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#761048 - 02/21/12 05:25 PM Re: Scorned for positive image...? [Re: DaveTheAffable]
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Interesting how this thread has moved from how we decide on & hold icons to a Bible bashing/questioning rant, mostly based on a total misunderstanding of the text.
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#761058 - 02/21/12 05:55 PM Re: Scorned for positive image...? [Re: DaveTheAffable]
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Or, perhaps, on a lucid understanding of it!

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#761064 - 02/21/12 06:58 PM Re: Scorned for positive image...? [Re: moshe_levy]
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Originally Posted By: moshe_levy
Or, perhaps, on a lucid understanding of it!

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Uh, No it's not. I know you'd like to think it is but it's bashing the bible and by extension Christians and Jews who beleive in it. No ifs, ands or buts.
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#761067 - 02/21/12 07:10 PM Re: Scorned for positive image...? [Re: MT Wallet]
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Originally Posted By: MT Wallet
Originally Posted By: moshe_levy
Or, perhaps, on a lucid understanding of it!

-MKL

Uh, No it's not. I know you'd like to think it is but it's bashing the bible and by extension Christians and Jews who beleive in it. No ifs, ands or buts.


Thank you. Yours & texasaggie97 have been the only educated responses I've seen in this thread.


Edited by Huzband (02/21/12 07:13 PM)
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#761071 - 02/21/12 07:21 PM Re: Scorned for positive image...? [Re: MT Wallet]
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Originally Posted By: MT Wallet
Originally Posted By: moshe_levy
Or, perhaps, on a lucid understanding of it!

-MKL

Uh, No it's not. I know you'd like to think it is but it's bashing the bible and by extension Christians and Jews who beleive in it. No ifs, ands or buts.


I call it asking hard hitting questions that are not being answered. Wonder why?

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