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#767176 - 03/21/12 04:38 AM Re: So...Do I need BMW Brand Oil? [Re: flienlow]
dirtrider Offline
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Morning Geoffster

You might want to question them on that. Look in your riders manual & if 20w50 isn't shown as one of the oil choices then 20w50 isn't a recommended viscosity class.

Or better yet, next time you are in the dealer have them pull up the BMW recommended oil usage sheet for your model & year then print you out a copy.
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#767217 - 03/21/12 09:23 AM Re: So...Do I need BMW Brand Oil? [Re: dirtrider]
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Originally Posted By: dirtrider
Morning Geoffster

You might want to question them on that. Look in your riders manual & if 20w50 isn't shown as one of the oil choices then 20w50 isn't a recommended viscosity class.

Or better yet, next time you are in the dealer have them pull up the BMW recommended oil usage sheet for your model & year then print you out a copy.

On page 141 of Rider's Manual (US Model) (Order No.: 01 41 8 521 977 (04.2010, 2nd edition)) 15w and 50 are permitted, so 20w-50 is only off by 5 on the low end.

I'll be sure to share your concerns at the dealer on Friday. Who shall I say is asking? A Ph.D. in petroleum engineering? A M.S. in chemical engineering? Or ...

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#767228 - 03/21/12 10:11 AM Re: So...Do I need BMW Brand Oil? [Re: Geoffster]
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Geoffster-

I'm by no means a Kool-Aid drinker when it comes to servicing my bike. I don't believe you have to use Castrol, a quality filter will serve just fine in lieu of the BMW filter, and so on.

However, when it comes to the oil viscosity and rating recommendation, every oil marketer offers the viscosity and ratings that BMW recommends. I can find no compelling reason to deviate from those recommendations, and I would also question a dealer that deviates from them. Further, I'd wonder what other deviations or shortcuts they're taking that I don't know about. It just seems odd that a dealer would not follow such a basic recommendation.

As to DR's express qualifications, I'll leave that to DR. Based upon my limited experience on this forum, one answer I can think of is 'Someone who clearly knows more about BMW motorcycles than the rest of us will ever have a chance to learn'.

Tom


Edited by Tom Schmitz (03/21/12 10:21 AM)
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#767235 - 03/21/12 10:49 AM Re: So...Do I need BMW Brand Oil? [Re: 12R12RT]
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There is a very simple explanation why the dealer is putting 20w50 oil into the bike. He learned to do it 30 years ago. He did not read the owner's manual or any current service information. So he keeps on putting 20w50 into everything. If it was good for 30 years, why wouldn't it be good now?
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#767242 - 03/21/12 11:13 AM Re: So...Do I need BMW Brand Oil? [Re: Geoffster]
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Originally Posted By: Geoffster
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I'll be sure to share your concerns at the dealer on Friday. Who shall I say is asking? A Ph.D. in petroleum engineering? A M.S. in chemical engineering? Or ...



Morning Geoffster




Tell them the truth, that YOU are asking, I won't be there. I just made a suggestion based on the BMW manual recommendations.

It's your bike, so do what you want with it. Personally I don't have dog in this fight.
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#767249 - 03/21/12 11:53 AM Re: So...Do I need BMW Brand Oil? [Re: Geoffster]
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Originally Posted By: Geoffster


I'll be sure to share your concerns at the dealer on Friday. Who shall I say is asking? A Ph.D. in petroleum engineering? A M.S. in chemical engineering? Or ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y


There is only one thing I know for sure about the crankcase oil in my bikes. It does not deteriorate as quickly as an oil thread discussion. cry
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#767250 - 03/21/12 11:56 AM Re: So...Do I need BMW Brand Oil? [Re: flienlow]
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Or perhaps it's because BMW Motorcycles (USA) doesn't market a 15w-40 oil!

(The answer was easily obtained by practicing "divergent thinking": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divergent_thinking .)
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#767405 - 03/22/12 12:06 PM Re: So...Do I need BMW Brand Oil? [Re: flienlow]
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I'll agree with Paul. The dealer uses 20w-50 because that's what they've done forever. However, in 2012 the thickest oil doesn't any longer offer the best protection. Engines are designed to use thinner oils and run better and longer with the factory specified oil. Heck, 30 years ago we all changed our oil every 3000 miles. In 2012, we know that is not necessary.

I'll use an oil that is proper for the bike as defined by the engineers who designed and built it.
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#767407 - 03/22/12 12:19 PM Re: So...Do I need BMW Brand Oil? [Re: GRB60]
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Originally Posted By: GRB60
I'll agree with Paul. The dealer uses 20w-50 because that's what they've done forever. However, in 2012 the thickest oil doesn't any longer offer the best protection. Engines are designed to use thinner oils and run better and longer with the factory specified oil. Heck, 30 years ago we all changed our oil every 3000 miles. In 2012, we know that is not necessary.

I'll use an oil that is proper for the bike as defined by the engineers who designed and built it.

When I'm at Long Beach BMW today or tomorrow I'll ask them why they're so damn ignorant about oil.
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#768042 - 03/26/12 08:16 AM Re: So...Do I need BMW Brand Oil? [Re: 12R12RT]
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Your comment piqued my interest so I checked out a bottle of Rotella at Wally World. The API was SM. I don't think BMW recommends this.
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