#773411 - 04/23/12 09:00 PM
Re: The Trayvon Martin Case
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I religiously change my oil every 3,000 miles . . . and dump the used stuff down the drain. Oh sure, we need to talk religion next. Let's not leave anything out of this thread! Have I mentioned that I'm Catholic, but I'm really, really pissed off at my church? Which brings us to the whole issue of sex crimes, and prompts the question: "While the USA has a higher rate of homicide than many other industrialized nations against whom we are often compared, why is it that so many of those countries--Great Britain, Canada, German, Italy, and others held up as more civil--have dramatically higher rates of other violent crimes, like assault, robbery and rape?" Are the citizens of those countries inherently more violent or greedy? Do they hate women? Or is it possible that we each choose to vastly oversimplify in a manner that suits our preconceptions, ignoring the vast complexity of the human condition as it manifests itself in vastly different societies with distinct histories and values? It seems to be a recurring theme, regardless of the shifting topics of discussion. Every 3,000 miles, baby. Those people need a little churchin up. ...and every 5000 miles is more than good enough.  "I have seen the light."
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#773412 - 04/23/12 09:03 PM
Re: The Trayvon Martin Case
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I'm curious if any other countries have a minority race of their population committing a majority of the murders? In 2010, 53% of the murders in the US were committed by blacks and 50% of the murder victims were black. source Half of our murders and murderers are black yet they are less than 15% of the population. Its the elephant in the room. Where's the million man march to help stop this madness? To figure out our homicide problem we need to figure out our black homicide problem.
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#773414 - 04/23/12 09:09 PM
Re: The Trayvon Martin Case
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I'm curious if any other countries have a minority race of their population committing a majority of the murders? In 2010, 53% of the murders in the US were committed by blacks and 50% of the murder victims were black. source Half of our murders and murderers are black yet they are less than 15% of the population. Its the elephant in the room. Where's the million man march to help stop this madness? To figure out our homicide problem we need to figure out our black homicide problem. I was just trying to look up those stats. The FBI lumps hispanic with causasion in thier stats, so it would take some research. But how does Canada (or any European country) compare when you look at stats by race? I know this can be a sensitive subject, but It looks like Canada and ourselves are not that far apart.
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#773417 - 04/23/12 09:44 PM
Re: The Trayvon Martin Case
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I'm curious if any other countries have a minority race of their population committing a majority of the murders? In 2010, 53% of the murders in the US were committed by blacks and 50% of the murder victims were black. source Half of our murders and murderers are black yet they are less than 15% of the population. Its the elephant in the room. Where's the million man march to help stop this madness? To figure out our homicide problem we need to figure out our black homicide problem. Many of us blacks on Facebook are asking this same question. In any case, after much pain and tooth pulling, all come to appreciate the fact that this is the real problem that threatens the black man, and not racism. You'd think it would be obvious, but not where there are planks blinding the eye.
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#773463 - 04/24/12 07:11 AM
Re: The Trayvon Martin Case
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Although we don't know if the the Zimmerman/Martin case is racially motivated, this spin-off case apparently is. http://www.suntimes.com/news/crime/12032...n-oak-park.html
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#773489 - 04/24/12 08:56 AM
Re: The Trayvon Martin Case
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..can we turn this into an oil thread.   Whip, you kill me man. Whips don't kill,  people do.
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#773595 - 04/24/12 02:54 PM
Re: The Trayvon Martin Case
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No way to compare until facts presented in court.
In the Georgia case the man with the gun shot another man
who was rushing towards him.
All the incidents prior might have influenced the state of mind of the shooter, but there hadn't been any violence or physical contact before or at the time of the shooting.
Martin may or may not have initiated physical contact and inflicted bodily harm putting that shooter at fear for his life.
In the Georgia case no physical contact or evidence of threats at that time.
Perhaps that was enough to negate the claim of self-defense.
The artical said the shooter told his son to call 911 and wait for him to get there.
Any evidence of a 911 call?
Another difference?
We can all offer up plenty of other cases where the outcome seems
questionable.
But those are after the day in court.
Let's see how the Martin case unfolds...
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