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#856374 - 10/11/13 05:58 PM K1600GTL VS R1200RT
bmwdavid Offline
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I was pretty convinced I was going to buy a new fully loaded 2013 R1200RT but found I was unable to pull the trigger because of the new 2014 WC R1200RT coming out.
My new dilemma is choosing between a very low mileage 2013 K1600GTL with two years warranty remaining at a very good price or waiting for the 2014 WC R1200RT.
So this leads me to my question for everyone. If money wasn't a factor which bike would you want and why? I do equal solo and two up riding. I'm 5-7" 200lbs and my wife is of average size.

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#856375 - 10/11/13 06:07 PM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: bmwdavid]
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IMHO... for 2-up, I'd go with the K1600. I ride an RT and love it.

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#856376 - 10/11/13 06:21 PM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: bmwdavid]
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I've always loved the RT's twin vibe and would (and did) go for a '13. It could be 4-5 months waiting for a '14 RT.

If you don't like the '13 RT, I'd go for the '13 GTL if you like how it rides and don't mind that it's a fairly weighty handful at parking lot speed. I'm sure your wife will like how it rides.
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#856378 - 10/11/13 06:32 PM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: bmwdavid]
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I'm 508 and 180. I went with the RT because of the boxer sound and feel as well as being able to work on it.
Looking at the 1600, it looked a bit wedged into the bike so, I asked the demo escort. He's a retired chippy so I trusted him for an honest answer. He said it just doesn't seem like a bike that the owner would be able to do a lot of work on similar to a boxer.
This may or may not be true but, I was familiar with the boxer. Also, the 1600 seemed a bit too much bike for a commuter for me.
Also, I think I'd get a camhead until the WC has been out for awhile. But, that's just me.
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#856381 - 10/11/13 07:19 PM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: bmwdavid]
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This isn't going to help much, but, here's my two cents.

I purchased the RT because of it's light weight. Comparing the current RT with with K1600, you're looking at a 200lb weight difference. While the K1600 is lower to the ground, a low RT should be comparable as far as getting your feet on the ground. 200lbs is a lot of weight. And you haven't loaded up the bags, or added a passenger, yet. 4 additional cylinders to maintain can't be inexpensive either. Not to mention 4 additional cylinders and how much more fuel you're going to use. A fellow riding friend has a K16GTL and we ride together quite a bit. He's topping up at least every 175-200 miles. I'm usually good for 225-250. Really comes down to whether you're a horsepower junkie, or not?

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#856387 - 10/11/13 07:49 PM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: kltk165]
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Originally Posted By: kltk165
He's topping up at least every 175-200 miles.


Then he has a problem with his bike... my GT's range (riding aggressively in the NC mountains) is in the low 220s and as far as 260. If I am judicious in my application of the throttle, then we are getting 280 plus. If I put gas in after 175 miles, I am not putting in the full 7 gallons, but 5.5-5.8 gallons instead. FYI.
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#856391 - 10/11/13 08:13 PM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: RoadWolf]
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Originally Posted By: RoadWolf
If I am judicious in my application of the throttle, then we are getting 280 plus.


Do that on a regular basis with my GT. thumbsup

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#856404 - 10/11/13 08:57 PM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: bmwdavid]
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I've owned 2 RTs (1150 and 1200) and have a K1600GT now. If I had a choice of a new RT or new K1600GT/L, I would take the RT.
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#856415 - 10/11/13 09:36 PM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: Jeff in VA]
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Thanks for all the replies. Keep them coming. Jeff, why would you choose a new RT and are you referring to the existing RT or the 2014 that isn't out yet?

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#856416 - 10/11/13 09:37 PM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: bmwdavid]
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If one rides one up then the RT is fine. Two up is fine if the combined weight is less than 350-400lbs. Over that and the performance suffers a lot and a bike with more stonk would be a good idea.
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#856419 - 10/11/13 09:50 PM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: bmwdavid]
SWB Offline
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Originally Posted By: bmwdavid
I was pretty convinced I was going to buy a new fully loaded 2013 R1200RT but found I was unable to pull the trigger because of the new 2014 WC R1200RT coming out.
My new dilemma is choosing between a very low mileage 2013 K1600GTL with two years warranty remaining at a very good price or waiting for the 2014 WC R1200RT.
So this leads me to my question for everyone. If money wasn't a factor which bike would you want and why? I do equal solo and two up riding. I'm 5-7" 200lbs and my wife is of average size.


I was 270 lbs, and my 2005 RT ran and handled just fine (well, at least when the shocks were fresher). My wife has just started riding 2-up with me (shocking, as she was vehemently against motorcycles). She weighs 90 lbs. I'm losing weight and will soon be at my target 190 lbs. So, when we're riding together, we'll only be 280 pounds together, so I KNOW from direct experience, that the bike will ride just fine 2-up with 280 lbs of riders. grin

The RT is a fine 2-up bike. I'd say the most important thing is to try a test ride or rent the bikes first, and see which one your pillion rider enjoys most. I'd think that either the in-line 4/6 (K1300GT or the K1600GTL) would be smoother than the RT, but some folks LOVE the throb of the big pistoned, air cooled twin. When we "refresh" our ride, I'll consider the K bike, but still suspect I'll stick with the RT. It just fits me and my riding style so well. (That, or a GS, if I move to the dark side.) grin

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#856426 - 10/11/13 10:47 PM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: SWB]
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Originally Posted By: SWB
Originally Posted By: bmwdavid
I was pretty convinced I was going to buy a new fully loaded 2013 R1200RT but found I was unable to pull the trigger because of the new 2014 WC R1200RT coming out.
My new dilemma is choosing between a very low mileage 2013 K1600GTL with two years warranty remaining at a very good price or waiting for the 2014 WC R1200RT.
So this leads me to my question for everyone. If money wasn't a factor which bike would you want and why? I do equal solo and two up riding. I'm 5-7" 200lbs and my wife is of average size.


I was 270 lbs, and my 2005 RT ran and handled just fine (well, at least when the shocks were fresher). My wife has just started riding 2-up with me (shocking, as she was vehemently against motorcycles). She weighs 90 lbs. I'm losing weight and will soon be at my target 190 lbs. So, when we're riding together, we'll only be 280 pounds together, so I KNOW from direct experience, that the bike will ride just fine 2-up with 280 lbs of riders. grin

The RT is a fine 2-up bike. I'd say the most important thing is to try a test ride or rent the bikes first, and see which one your pillion rider enjoys most. I'd think that either the in-line 4/6 (K1300GT or the K1600GTL) would be smoother than the RT, but some folks LOVE the throb of the big pistoned, air cooled twin. When we "refresh" our ride, I'll consider the K bike, but still suspect I'll stick with the RT. It just fits me and my riding style so well. (That, or a GS, if I move to the dark side.) grin


My wife and I hit 520. Too much for the RT IMO.
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#856430 - 10/12/13 12:11 AM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: bmwdavid]
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I was referring to the new RT. I would buy an RT because I never really connected with my K1600GT. The RT is lighter and I like the feel of a boxer twin. Nothing wrong with the GT, but it's not for me. I will probably buy a new RT as soon as it is available.


Edited by Jeff in VA (10/12/13 12:13 AM)
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#856434 - 10/12/13 02:34 AM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: bmwdavid]
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The K1600 is a true engineering marvel. For a six cylinder with that horsepower it uses little fuel, power delivery is as smooth as silk, it's so much lighter than a Goldwing and handles so much better and is loaded to the brim with interesting gizmos.

However there are a few things I don't like on the GT, chiefly riding position and wind protection. If you want something closer to an RT, the GTL is a much better choice and comes with a top box from the factory. I would have never been able to do the daily mileage I did recently on a GT.

Also a big issue with the K1600 series is that, to all effects, is the two wheeled equivalent of a 7-series sedan, meaning unless you have lots of experience and the right tools for the job, all maintenance should be left to the dealer, and a good one at that.

Personally I really, really like my Hexhead RT. It has some oddities I will probably never get fully accustomed to, but after being said time and time again "it's normal" I try to pay them as little attention as possible. The longer I ride it, the more I am convinced it's designed to devour miles.
My only big complain about the bike is the clocks... the Wunderlich clock surround made things a tad better but it's a very poor design. I hope the new RT-LC will have a better designed clock cluster... and perhaps clocks with red needles and an electric blue background like my Honda! grin
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#856441 - 10/12/13 06:09 AM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: bmwdavid]
John Bentall Offline
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Originally Posted By: bmwdavid
I was pretty convinced I was going to buy a new fully loaded 2013 R1200RT but found I was unable to pull the trigger because of the new 2014 WC R1200RT coming out.
My new dilemma is choosing between a very low mileage 2013 K1600GTL with two years warranty remaining at a very good price or waiting for the 2014 WC R1200RT.
So this leads me to my question for everyone. If money wasn't a factor which bike would you want and why? I do equal solo and two up riding. I'm 5-7" 200lbs and my wife is of average size.


Have you ridden the K1600GT? The K1600GTL will be much, much faster than even a 2014 RT LC - really no comparison. Do you want or need to go that fast?.

Besides the RT is much better at going slow judging by the riders I meet.

I need a bike that is good at going slow around extremely tight, blind, uphill corners on single-track roads, with possible on-coming traffic.


Edited by John Bentall (10/12/13 06:11 AM)
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#856456 - 10/12/13 08:51 AM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: bmwdavid]
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After test riding the new wethead GS, I thing the 1200RT is going to show a big increase in performance. The GS was a rocket ship compared to previous models.

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#856457 - 10/12/13 09:02 AM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: JohnH]
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I did test ride the GT, GTL and R1200RT back to back. The GT seat height was too tall, the GTL had a low seat and the reach to the ground was fine but it was a heavier bike. Only other thing I noticed is that it had quite a bit of driveline lash. The 1200RT felt small compared to the GTL. My wife obviously liked the larger top case on the GTL. We had a 2008 Goldwing which spoiled her.

I think the comment about the RT being good at going slow was a good point. The GTL doesn't like to go slow as well as the RT. I've also read reports that the GTL 18000 mile service is $1000 at the dealers. I think the new RT is going to be my next choice but will have to wait for a test ride.
It is a shame that a 2014 with all the same options as a deal I could get on a new 2013 is going to cost me thousands more. Wish I could just buy the fully loaded 2013 and not look back but not sure if this is possible.

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#856458 - 10/12/13 09:11 AM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: bmwdavid]
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Originally Posted By: bmwdavid
It is a shame that a 2014 with all the same options as a deal I could get on a new 2013 is going to cost me thousands more. Wish I could just buy the fully loaded 2013 and not look back but not sure if this is possible.


I think if you found a new '13 RT with the deals available now you wouldn't look back. It's a sweet ride.
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#856473 - 10/12/13 10:41 AM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: bmwdavid]
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Instead of planning just the next bike, why not plan the next TWO bikes? Get a K1600 now and a new RT in 2-3 years.

Of course you could always change your plan, but at least this would be a practical way to move forward now. To keep the expense somewhat under control, good used K1600's are available now and used RT's will be in a few years.
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#856475 - 10/12/13 11:04 AM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: bmwdavid]
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I went from a 12RT to the GTL about eight weeks ago. I'm 190# and have a 28" inseam. Because I can flatfoot the GTL, in spite of its heavier weight, I manage it just fine.

For me wind management was slightly better on the RT, both with stock windshields.

I'm not light with the throttle, and the GTL power is as addictive as crack cocaine. I get similar mileage as my old RT.

Most of my riding is 2-up, wife is very happy on the new bike. I recently added a sheepskin to my seat, I was squirming around after burning thru a tankful. Seems like an improvement, but not enough miles to confirm.

I'm 60, and perhaps in 10 years or so I will be looking for a lighter bike, but I'm sure enjoying this fully kitted rocketship!

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#856491 - 10/12/13 03:27 PM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: bmwdavid]
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So Im 6'5" and around 220lbs, I have 33" inseam and have had a 2008 RT for just over a year (came from an ST1300).

I tried the 1600 and was very very impressed with its speed and performance, its a lovely smooth ride. Im about to pull the trigger on a 2013 RT SE with every extra (comms and dynamic pack)in storm grey. The RT is for me a much taller bike and I prefer riding it to the GTL.
Im also getting a hearty discount and extras from BMW so for me the choice is a simple one.. new RT all he way

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#856495 - 10/12/13 04:30 PM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: Over]
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Fine decision but did you get to ride the GT also?


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#856508 - 10/12/13 08:05 PM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: TEWKS]
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Didn't think there would be so many responses. I like the one advising to buy a K1600GTL and change to the new 1200rt in a few years. The best advice which I wish I could take is to buy the 2013 R1200Rt and don't look back. It is clearly the safest choice and would save me a bunch of money.
I went thru this in 2005 though. Bought a 2004 R1150Rt and shortly after the 2005 1200Rt came out and I sold the 1150 and bought a 1200RT. Loved the 1200RT but it had multiple ESA issues causing me to ride a 2008 Goldwing for four years. That is now sold and here I am.

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#856529 - 10/13/13 02:43 AM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: JohnH]
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Originally Posted By: JohnH
After test riding the new wethead GS, I thing the 1200RT is going to show a big increase in performance. The GS was a rocket ship compared to previous models.


It's amazing what a lighter flywheel and ride-by-wire-throttle (in dynamic mode) can do to the feel of a bike.
But the raw numbers show that is it not that much faster either in flat out acceleration (.3 seconds faster to 0-88mph - 5.8 vs 6.1 seconds), or in top gear lugging (.4 sec faster 50-90 mph 3.8 vs 4.2 seconds).
I expect the 2014RT to show a similar improvement in performance and responsiveness, but I am expecting the the big gains will be in other areas. By this I mean dynamically damped suspension, brighter LED headlights and some of the systems integration (e.g. low fuel level linked to GPS routing) introduced on the K1600.
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#856533 - 10/13/13 06:22 AM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: bmwdavid]
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Originally Posted By: bmwdavid
Didn't think there would be so many responses. I like the one advising to buy a K1600GTL and change to the new 1200rt in a few years. The best advice which I wish I could take is to buy the 2013 R1200Rt and don't look back. It is clearly the safest choice and would save me a bunch of money.
I went thru this in 2005 though. Bought a 2004 R1150Rt and shortly after the 2005 1200Rt came out and I sold the 1150 and bought a 1200RT. Loved the 1200RT but it had multiple ESA issues causing me to ride a 2008 Goldwing for four years. That is now sold and here I am.


re: your 2005 RT. The new RT will be warrantied for 3 years. Buy it, enjoy it, keep it longer than 36 months if your still happy with it, or sell it then if you're concerned about long term reliability. 36 months is a long time to ride a bike while doing relatively minimal maintenance and putting fuel in the tank. This isn't the year for me to replace my 2005 RT quite yet, but if I were in your shoes, unless the wife really had an objection to the ride of the RT, I'd get the 2013 while you still can and not look back, well, for at least 3 years. grin

You know the RT. If the Honda was that much better than your last RT (e.g. smoother, more power, better pillion, better storage, etc.), or the new RT test ride feels that much worse than your GW, then go to the GTL (or another Honda). Otherwise, the RT will be a whole lot of fun. Plus, the 2013 is "mature", i.e. if there were bugs in the 2010-2013 version, the 2013 should have worked them out by now.

Seems that all of your options are good in any case. thumbsup

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#856547 - 10/13/13 10:17 AM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: SWB]
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There has been numerous suggestions to buy the 2013 and not look back even if it is for three years. Is it because everyone thinks the 2014 needs a couple years to work out the bugs? How many guys are planning to buy the first year of the WC R1200RT?
The K1600GTL is a great bike bur definitely will be an expensive bike to maintain at the dealer and is still a handful at parking lot speeds. The Goldwing is out of the question, too smooth and did not like the wind protection. My wife wants me to buy used and wonders why I can't be happy with a low mileage used BMW rather than spending $20,000. Could probably get away with buying the new 2013 RT but not sure about the 2014 RT if price increase with all the options will be $3000 more. Really don't think it would go well if I bought a 2013 RT and then in three years had to invest another $5000 to sell or trade in for a new WC RT. Tough choices to make.

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#856550 - 10/13/13 10:41 AM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: bmwdavid]
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Yes, it is a dilemma all right. I had both RT and GTL. The RT was lighter but compared to the GTL the engine is like a tractor's as far as smoothness goes if you compare. The GTL is lower which I like a lot (29 inseam) and in my opinion more nimble especially at slow speeds to my surprise. The comfort level is great on the GTL especially for long runs. The pillion comfort apparently is better on a Goldwing hence you find a few GTLs at Honda dealers being traded in. As well as Harley guys got a few in trade for the same reason. The suspension adjustment is of course electronic, I found the comfort level on the GTL somewhat dangerous if you suddenly get into a situation where a quick turn or maneuver is required. I just about lost the bike on a bumpy, sharp right hand turn at low speed, it was wallowing all over the place. So after that I kept the middle setting. In the end I sold it since I found the GTL just too big for me for the daily riding that I was doing. Tried a Burgman, found it to be competent but too boring, couch on wheels. Ended up with a F650GS twin with factory lowered suspension. So far so good, I like it. Good luck with your choice.
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#856552 - 10/13/13 11:09 AM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: TEWKS]
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Originally Posted By: TEWKS
Fine decision but did you get to ride the GT also?


Pat


I'm 6'5, 34" inseam and found the GT very similar to a stock RT(The GTL feels much lower like I am sitting in a bucket seat. I don't like being locked into one position). Windscreen would have to be replaced and peg lowering kit too, but the fly in the ointment is bar risers. No inexpensive way to raise the bars and it seems BMW is going the same route with the WCRT. The other killer with the GT(L) is maintenance costs. If Honda is going to update the ST soon, I would say wait to see what they bring out.
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#857033 - 10/16/13 05:10 PM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: John Bentall]
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Originally Posted By: John Bentall


It's amazing what a lighter flywheel and ride-by-wire-throttle (in dynamic mode) can do to the feel of a bike.
But the raw numbers show that is it not that much faster either in flat out acceleration (.3 seconds faster to 0-88mph - 5.8 vs 6.1 seconds), or in top gear lugging (.4 sec faster 50-90 mph 3.8 vs 4.2 seconds).


0-88 mph is probably reached in 1/5 of a mile. For sake of argument lets say it is .5 seconds quicker in the quarter mile. For a bike that is in the same class ( direct replacement ) and be 1/2 second quicker is impressive.

I think that is a LOT faster if those are facts. Having done my share of drag racing in cars, trucks, and bikes I can tell you 1/2 second is MANY bike lengths in a quarter mile acceleration test...
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#857080 - 10/16/13 11:07 PM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: bmwdavid]
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Originally Posted By: bmwdavid
My wife wants me to buy used and wonders why I can't be happy with a low mileage used BMW rather than spending $20,000.


If money is a concern, it's incredibly easy to find very low mileage 2010-2012 bikes way under what a new '13 RT would cost you. And it's the same bike. Biggest difference that I'm aware of between a 2010 and later years is the change in suspension components. I think from 2011 forward the shocks are WP. It's also not that difficult to find bikes with some warranty left.


Edited by kltk165 (10/16/13 11:08 PM)

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#857775 - 10/21/13 09:15 PM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: bmwdavid]
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I am leaning toward purchasing the WC 1200RT to replace my 05. For those questioning the first year of the new model, was the 05 that bad for a first year model, mine was just fine. The "potential" problems seemed to persist for several years; fuel strip, final drive, esa issues ... Being an engine tech guy, I would prefer the later camhead because I "hate" the screw valve adjust and I like the other improvements in the WC engine/drivetrain.

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#857783 - 10/21/13 10:31 PM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: Tech1]
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Originally Posted By: Tech1
I am leaning toward purchasing the WC 1200RT to replace my 05. For those questioning the first year of the new model, was the 05 that bad for a first year model, mine was just fine.... Being an engine tech guy, I would prefer the later camhead because I "hate" the screw valve adjust ...



You don't say!
You would prefer loosen cam chain tension, pull and secure chain,properly pull camshaft caps or bridges, pulling the camshaft to find and add correct shims, then properly reassemble, re-aling cam sprockets and hope you got it right the first time vs. simply turning a screw and locking it with a locknut? If you love working on the engine (more than needed) than I can see your point smile
My 05 was also trouble free.

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#857804 - 10/22/13 06:20 AM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: SuperG]
Dave_in_TX Offline
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Registered: 10/22/01
Posts: 930
Loc: Austin TX
Originally Posted By: There Will Be Cake
Originally Posted By: Tech1
I am leaning toward purchasing the WC 1200RT to replace my 05. For those questioning the first year of the new model, was the 05 that bad for a first year model, mine was just fine.... Being an engine tech guy, I would prefer the later camhead because I "hate" the screw valve adjust ...



You don't say!
You would prefer loosen cam chain tension, pull and secure chain,properly pull camshaft caps or bridges, pulling the camshaft to find and add correct shims, then properly reassemble, re-aling cam sprockets and hope you got it right the first time vs. simply turning a screw and locking it with a locknut? If you love working on the engine (more than needed) than I can see your point smile
My 05 was also trouble free.


You obviously don't know what you're talking about. None of that needs to be done to change a shim on the 2010-2013 boxers.

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#857814 - 10/22/13 07:33 AM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: bmwdavid]
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Registered: 02/17/02
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Loc: Leander, TX
Originally Posted By: bmwdavid
Is it because everyone thinks the 2014 needs a couple years to work out the bugs? How many guys are planning to buy the first year of the WC R1200RT?
The K1600GTL is a great bike bur definitely will be an expensive bike to maintain at the dealer and is still a handful at parking lot speeds.


The K and R are both great bikes, but based on your comments you are an R guy.

If you have the patience, wait for the new RT. It is going to be a fantastic bike.

I've owned 2 first year model RTs in the past, an '02 and an '05, with nothing more than minor issues. Don't let the first year of a new model stop you. It will be the 2nd year of the new engine/drive train and much of the tech package will be a carry over of what you'll find on the current K line. Plus you'll get the new suspension system; the K line is still using ESA II.

Now to defend the K; the drive line lash by measurement isn't any worse or better than the R. The difference is the throttle by wire and the rider. Once you adjust to the throttle the lash (jerkiness) goes away. A good way to work through the adjustment is to select Road mode when first getting on a new K. Parking lot speeds on the K, in my view, are just as nimble (for a heavy ass touring bike)as they are on the current R.

I believe the R will remain as the fastest machine on technical roads and should be less expensive to maintain vs. the K.

My current ride is a KGT. I am 5'9" and shrinking. My RDL keeps me from flat footing the KGT, but that was the same for my RT.

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#857834 - 10/22/13 09:32 AM Re: K1600GTL VS R1200RT [Re: Dave_in_TX]
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Registered: 02/19/10
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Originally Posted By: Dave_in_TX
Originally Posted By: There Will Be Cake
Originally Posted By: Tech1
I am leaning toward purchasing the WC 1200RT to replace my 05. For those questioning the first year of the new model, was the 05 that bad for a first year model, mine was just fine.... Being an engine tech guy, I would prefer the later camhead because I "hate" the screw valve adjust ...



You don't say!
You would prefer loosen cam chain tension, pull and secure chain,properly pull camshaft caps or bridges, pulling the camshaft to find and add correct shims, then properly reassemble, re-aling cam sprockets and hope you got it right the first time vs. simply turning a screw and locking it with a locknut? If you love working on the engine (more than needed) than I can see your point smile
My 05 was also trouble free.


You obviously don't know what you're talking about. None of that needs to be done to change a shim on the 2010-2013 boxers.


true that...
but I was talking about the K1600 shim under bucket valve adjust vs boxer screw adjust valves on pre 2010. 2010 and up has pawls between the cam and valve that that moves out to the sides. And the pawl holds a small shim.
While still harder to adjust the camhead (need to locate/purchase the correct size shim) vs. adjusting a screw.

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