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#926769 - 04/13/15 05:34 PM Re: Sorry, mate, I didn't see you! [Re: elkroeger]  
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I have installed headlight modulators on all my bikes for years. I can't tell you how many times I've seen them grab a motorist attention. I can't figure out why these are not standard equipment on bikes. The added benefit is people often confuse me with a LEO and make extra room for me. Plus, for those in California, the modulators are very effective when lane splitting.


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#927436 - 04/19/15 08:18 PM Re: Sorry, mate, I didn't see you! [Re: graydude]  
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In addition to the eye being attracted to motion, it is also attracted to differences -- differences in color, differences in contrast, differences in shape, differences in brightness, etc. Of course, minor differences or differences hidden in a busy background are less likely to be picked up.

I mention this to suggest taking whatever advantage you can. The three primary forward visibility enhancements I use are (i) a Schubert hi-viz yellow helmet (particularly useful in dense commuting traffic, where sometimes only my head is visible over the adjacent cars), (ii) a broad "triangle" of front lights, and (iii) recently, the use of amber filters over the bright LED lights that form the left & right corners of the triangle. The amber is unusual in my area, and even at low power the LED lights (Clearwater Ericas) are pretty darn bright. I've received unexpected thumbs-ups after the addition of the amber filters (and yes, I checked closely which single digit was being held up grin )


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#938019 - 07/24/15 12:07 AM Re: Sorry, mate, I didn't see you! [Re: mneblett]  
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I came across the video some time back and think of it often. I'm probably overthinking the weave, but I try to make my first zig away from the other driver, my thinking being that I'm getting a little extra bit of motion across the background and perpendicular to his line of sight, as early as possible. Then I zag and am pointing more nearly at him, so all I have going for me at that point is looming (and lights).


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#943469 - 09/22/15 03:01 PM Re: Sorry, mate, I didn't see you! [Re: Bill_Walker]  
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I always ride with the assumption that *nothing* that I do will cause the other person to see me all of a sudden. I don't ever want to rely upon someone else seeing me; many people drive distracted or are simply oblivious. I take responsibility for myself; I don't expect anyone else to care, and I ride accordingly.


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#943661 - 09/24/15 12:22 AM Re: Sorry, mate, I didn't see you! [Re: DJ_Fission]  
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Good video!
I tend to move all over the lane, which isn't really the SMIDSY, but has a similar effect. I do believe drivers notice side motions.

I also think drivers are looking for cars, meaning two headlights. So, I have a set of aux lights that do help.


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#943683 - 09/24/15 03:46 AM Re: Sorry, mate, I didn't see you! [Re: DJ_Fission]  
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Originally Posted By: DJ_Fission
I always ride with the assumption that *nothing* that I do will cause the other person to see me all of a sudden. I don't ever want to rely upon someone else seeing me; many people drive distracted or are simply oblivious. I take responsibility for myself; I don't expect anyone else to care, and I ride accordingly.


All of which is good. But my view is to do everything you can to make yourself visible, and then still ride like you're invisible. Anything that reduces the risk of collision is probably worthwhile.

Further, at many of these sorts of intersections, you can't really "ride like you're invisible" without holding up traffic or getting rear-ended, since riding like you're invisible pretty much requires letting the cross traffic go first.


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#943755 - 09/24/15 07:27 PM Re: Sorry, mate, I didn't see you! [Re: Bill_Walker]  
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Originally Posted By: Bill_Walker

All of which is good. But my view is to do everything you can to make yourself visible, and then still ride like you're invisible. Anything that reduces the risk of collision is probably worthwhile.

Further, at many of these sorts of intersections, you can't really "ride like you're invisible" without holding up traffic or getting rear-ended, since riding like you're invisible pretty much requires letting the cross traffic go first.


Sure, I see what you're saying. That's why I have Skene Design visibility lights and extra riding lights on my bike.

Doesn't mean that people shouldn't be responsible for themselves when they're riding. Too many videos are on the Internet where the rider is blaming someone else for what happened, instead of looking at what they could have done to avoid the situation in the first place. I know that's not a very popular opinion, but I think that as riders, we already know that most people don't see us riding, and we have to be extra vigilant on the road.

I'm not saying "ride like you're invisible;" I'm saying "ride like your life is your responsibility, and ride accordingly."


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#944602 - 10/03/15 03:19 PM Re: Sorry, mate, I didn't see you! [Re: Bill_Walker]  
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I will occasionally zig zag in my lane when coming up to suddenly stopped traffic. Mostly I just try to ride like I am completely invisible. So far, so good. smile


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#945798 - 10/18/15 04:40 AM Re: Sorry, mate, I didn't see you! [Re: Bill_Walker]  
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Terrific video, and thanks for posting. However, I don't understand his point about looking for background movement relative to the car.

No background movement = likely SMIDSY situation. Background movement = less likely.

Can anyone explain this concept?

#945799 - 10/18/15 05:24 AM Re: Sorry, mate, I didn't see you! [Re: chrisd]  
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I'm not Mitch, but I'll try. smile

It's about perspective (remember basic design, or intro to drawing/painting that maybe you took in school?), and what you're really to figure out, as the rider, is if you are moving across the driver's perspective. To be most visible, we want to move across the driver's perspective, or horizon, as opposed to moving straight at them.

To tell if we're doing this, we can see if they are moving across our perspective. Imagine you're looking at a car stopped at intersecting cross street, and that there's a row of trees in the background. As you are approaching, if your angle to the car is pretty small, the same tree will appear to stay in the same place in the background relative to the car. If your angle to the car is larger, the trees in the background will shift toward the rear of the car as you approach.

If the trees are staying the same place, you're basically a little dot getting slightly larger as you approach the driver. If the trees are shifting, you're more like a slightly growing dot that's drawing a line across the driver's vision (think of the tracer you can see behind a laser point as it draws a quick line along a wall).

The video in the OP shows this well at 5:40 and on.

I like to think of it (it being us, on our bike) like a baseball. Imagine you're standing at one end of a football field and someone is launching a baseball at you from the other end zone. If it's fired at a level trajectory, it's going to be hard to see, and it's going to be really hard for your brain to tell how fast it's going. Imagine then watching the same baseball, fired from one end zone to the other, except now you're watching from one side of the field at the fifty yard line. It will be easier to see the ball because it's basically now a line or a series of points instead of just one, and it's going to be much, much easier to see how fast it's going.

Our brains and eyes are set up to detect motion, changes in light and that sort of thing - we're not very good at seeing stationary points (or what appear to be stationary points) unless we're trying really hard to find them. (And the whole SMIDSY idea is that driver are looking for hazards in general but not motorcycles...and we have this tendency to mostly find what we're looking for...)

Any help?
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