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#975818 - 12/01/16 09:38 PM Re: Chevy Volt 10k mile update [Re: Skywagon]  
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Originally Posted By: Skywagon
out of curiosity, are there any published numbers or experiences on how many time the batteries can be drained fully and charged again...I suspect 1000's but just curious.


I have read some numbers that were supposedly released from the GM Engineering team around the time of the 2nd generation vehicle being unveiled that eluded to the the battery being designed for 500k miles of electric usage. It was something to the tune of being charged and discharged twice a day, every day, for 15 years. And thats not taking into account any other miles that would be added from running the gas engine. I'm assuming there would other mechanical failures before the battery failed from cycling. From the hard data I have personally seen, there are 1rst generation cars out there with over 300k miles on them with zero battery degradation noticeable to the end user. I say it that way because I know there is actually some degradation happening, but the operating range that the battery actually uses is so conservative that the degradation is not seen by the driver. As in, they only use the middle 70% of the usable energy in the battery. So you could theoretically permanently lose 15% of the usable energy in the battery before the driver would notice a loss in range due to battery degradation.

Smart on GM's part. They never charge the pack to 100%, discharge it to 0%, and the pack has its own HVAC system to keep it in its optimum operational temps.


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#975824 - 12/01/16 11:21 PM Re: Chevy Volt 10k mile update [Re: OoPEZoO]  
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thanks for info...too lazy to look it up and I knew you would know.


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#975832 - 12/02/16 02:42 AM Re: Chevy Volt 10k mile update [Re: greiffster]  
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Originally Posted By: greiffster
Our Mini drives me crazy because it doesn't have a spare. Can't you stick a donut in that Volt somewhere? And use the tow money to offset the cost of tires with less rolling resistance?


My 2008 Mini had a temporary spare AND it came with run-flat tires! So of course, I never got a puncture. I didn't stick with run-flats when I replaced the tires.


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#975914 - 12/04/16 04:43 PM Re: Chevy Volt 10k mile update [Re: OoPEZoO]  
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A little off topic, and I'm not trying to be an ass, but man, you're commuting what, 2 hrs/day? If you really want to save money (and your sanity) live closer to work.

Couple years ago I went from 1/2 hr one way, to 10 minutes. I'll never go back!


I'm a man, and I can change, if I have to, I guess.

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#975916 - 12/04/16 05:02 PM Re: Chevy Volt 10k mile update [Re: OoPEZoO]  
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Nothing like living in a small town, where you go home for lunch. Three stop signs, and 2 traffic lights between my home and my office. smile


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#975926 - 12/04/16 08:56 PM Re: Chevy Volt 10k mile update [Re: OoPEZoO]  
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You have to DRIVE to get TO work? I'm lucky to say most of the last 14 years I've been fortunate enough to walk. And mostly less than 100 yards smile


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#975958 - 12/05/16 01:49 PM Re: Chevy Volt 10k mile update [Re: OoPEZoO]  
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No argument there about living closer to work being a good choice. Life just doesn't work out like that sometimes. Moving is a weekly discussion and going to happen eventually. I drive 57 miles in one direction and it rarely takes me an hour, and my wife drives 17 miles in the opposite direction, but it takes her 30-35 mins typically. We both like our current employment situations, so any change of address would just offset a more frustrating commute to the other party. My commute is actually pretty easy due to the times I travel, its just a lot of miles. If we moved 12 miles closer to my work, my Wife's commute would be a freaking nightmare due to timing and traffic bottle necks. It would then take her almost an hour each way, plus picking up the kids from the sitter. That isn't the answer. Then there are the guys who live less than 15 miles from my work and it still takes them 45 mins to get here.......and their tiny little condo with one parking space costs twice what my house does. Thats not a solution for me.....or my kids. I like my space, my house, my garage, and my quiet neighborhood. Unfortunately, I have to sacrifice 10 hours a week of my time to make that happen.

We plan to move within the next few years, but not far from where we are.

As a side note. The job I left to take this one 10+ years ago was less than 10 miles from my house. You couldn't pay me enough to go back to it.


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#976083 - 12/07/16 09:02 PM Re: Chevy Volt 10k mile update [Re: OoPEZoO]  
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Great update, Keith. I'm ~53 miles from the office myself! My Leaf came off lease in October and I haven't replaced it yet. I'm commuting by bike every day. That will soon get ugly, if the midwest's storms are any indication. I have a Caravan as a backup, but that comes off lease in May, so at that time I'll be shopping and it will come down to Volt vs. Bolt.

One data point re LRR tires. I found much of the internet hype about them to be BS. On the wife's Prius we replaced the OEM with good old Michelin Primacy tires (oversized to 205mm instead of the stock 195mm, no less) and I lost less than 1mpg on average. And for that I got exponentially better wear, wet grip, and less noise, too. I wouldn't sweat over LRR vs. non LRR based on that experience. The Michelins are almost toast now - with 82,000 miles on them!

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#976084 - 12/07/16 09:04 PM Re: Chevy Volt 10k mile update [Re: OoPEZoO]  
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PS - You know what's irresistible? Used Volts. I see them around here. Fresh off lease, 2-3 years old, barely 30,000 miles, for $12-14k. That's a $45,000 car for $12-14k, and now there are plenty with high mileage on the forums saying it's been solid and reliable. An infinitely more rewarding car than the Prius. It may be worth it to buy one rather than lease a new one since I use the bike whenever possible. How else to test all this gear?

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#976101 - 12/08/16 01:38 AM Re: Chevy Volt 10k mile update [Re: moshe_levy]  
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Originally Posted By: moshe_levy
PS - You know what's irresistible? Used Volts. I see them around here. Fresh off lease, 2-3 years old, barely 30,000 miles, for $12-14k. That's a $45,000 car for $12-14k, and now there are plenty with high mileage on the forums saying it's been solid and reliable. An infinitely more rewarding car than the Prius. It may be worth it to buy one rather than lease a new one since I use the bike whenever possible. How else to test all this gear?

-MKL


Yup.....I was dead set on a used Gen1 Volt right in that same mileage/price range. All of my spreadsheet work told me a Gen1 Volt would be the best financial decision. Then I saw the Gen2 cars. The jump in range plus the interior tweaks were enough to push me over the edge into a new one. I guess it was a bit of an emotional purchase due to just liking the overall package better. I REALLY didn't like the capacitive touch buttons on the center console in the Gen1 cars. It also helped that I traded in my '08 Wrangler, which held an absolutely stupid amount of value as a trade in.

I recommend those Gen1 cars to anyone that is shopping for a used car. I get mostly blank stares and skepticism. I don't think anyone will believe me about how great these cars are unless they get an extended test drive. 5 mins behind the wheel just doesn't do it justice. They are so smooth, quiet, powerful, and a joy to drive. I've never driven anything that was so effortless to scoot down the road.

Now, where did I put my Kool-aide?


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