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#988779 - 06/06/17 03:18 PM Re: UnRally XVI 2017 - GPS Route Files [Re: TyTass]  
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Off-road Dual Sport Routes Information:

Having only ridden about 80-100 fabulous miles off-road in the area, I asked Kenny Haynes for a bit of help/contribution of big bike-friendly, off-road riding. He of course said I should go to roadscholar (Bill F), which I did. Bill has a wealth of information about off-road riding in the area, and knows the roads in the area like the back of his hand. However, he is not a GPS master and apparently I know very little about creating routes for off-road (as I have a Zumo which is street-oriented and only load the standard street maps).

So, after what I'm sure was several painful conversations for Bill about why I couldn't make routes match his tracks, it occurred to me I'm not the only person with a street-dependent GPS set-up. So, I created routes for off-road luddites like me. For you off-road device pros, it's easy enough for you to edit what I've provided into complete routes.

What's wrong with these routes, you ask? There are a couple places where the Garmin maps do not know that roads are actually connected. Off-road devices with appropriate maps can simply be set up to follow any track ... regardless of the street maps. Street-map dependent devices cannot (see discussion here if you want to understand why).

Suffice it to say, a couple of the routes have gaps in them on the street maps. Some of us have run into this issue even on paved roads. The way to handle that with street-oriented devices is to break the route into segments that are before and after the gaps. So, that's what I've done here. I created sequential route segments so a person with a street-oriented device could run the intended route. When a route ends at gap in the street map set, the rider can simply continues on the same road until their gps map set shows a road again. Then the can start the next route segment. Keep in mind when you are in the gap for the street maps, your gps routing will not work properly. FYI I have included some waypoints for quick navigation.

A post summarizing the routes will follow ...

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#988781 - 06/06/17 04:11 PM Re: UnRally XVI 2017 - GPS Route Files [Re: TyTass]  
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Off-road Dual Sport Routes Overview:

Within the GDB/GPX files, there are 3 off-road or Dual Sport routes that have been broken into segments. They are as follows:

Dual Sport Route #1:
UN_2017 - DS1_Leg_1 (132) Gravahala > Joe Brown > Tusquitee
UN_2017 - DS1_Leg_2 (54) Tuni > Tantham


This route, provided by roadscholar, totals to 186 miles; though there is one short gap near where Tusquitee and Tuni Gap roads meet. The route is approximately 50/50 on/off road. According to Bill, the off-road portions are big-bike friendly (I've only ridden a few off-road segments of this route). However, if you are an off-road novice like me, please go with someone more experienced. Also, I've read Tantham Gap can get dicey. However, whether unsure of that road or just tired, the Tantham portion of the route can easily be bypassed by taking US-19/129 up to Topton, where a left turn on US-129 will take you thru Robbinsville where you can join the route back to FVR.

The recommended lunch stop is in Murphy NC, but there are a number of other restaurants in town an along 19/129. There's plenty of gas there as well.

Dual Sport Route #2:
UN_2017 - DS2_Leg_1 (100) Stairs > Tellico > Conley's Crk
UN_2017 - DS2_Leg_2 (2.2) Jenkins Crk > UpperRiv
UN_2017 - DS2_Leg_3 (2.6) Upper Riv > Heintooga Ridge
UN_2017 - DS2_Leg_4 (79.9) Balsam Mtn > Big Cove > 19


This route, also provided by roadscholar, totals to 184.7 miles; though there are three gaps in this route, but all in the same region. This route is approximately 60/40 on/off road. According to Bill, the off-road portions are big-bike friendly. I've ridden much more of the off-road portions of this route ... I absolutely love Conley's Creek/Leatherman Gap! I haven't ever ridden Winding Stairs but I've read good things about it. As always, if you are an off-road novice like me, go with someone more experienced.

The recommended lunch stop is on US-19 near Cherokee. Bill highly recommends Granny's Kitchen. Some folks with smaller tanks may want to gas up there. After lunch comes the portion of the route with the gaps. After turning off US-19 onto Jenkins Creek, your continue on that gravel road for aa few miles before the street maps show the road ending. Continue on. When the street maps show you back on the road, start the 2dn leg. During this segment you'll turn right on Upper River Rd. Again when the street maps show the road ends continue on until shown back on the road again, where you start the 3rd leg. Same thing is true for the final gap, just prior to the BRP and you'll parallel the BRP for short bit. When you arrive at Heintooga Ridge, you'll start the 4th leg. You'll wind up in Cherokee eventually where there are some places worthy of a visit. From there back to FVR its all major arteries since Parsons Branch on the other side of the GSMNP is closed.

Dual Sport Route #3:
UN_2017 - DS3_Leg_1 (91.4) - Santeetlah > N River > Turkey Crk > Citico
UN_2017 - DS3_Leg_2 (42.2) - Dragon > HellBender


I threw this one in based on a bit of off-road I've done, trying to provide a short option (133.6 miles), at approximately 70/30 on/off road. It starts off over some of the same roads as DS1 (Santeetlah, N River Rd) but then cuts back across the Cherohala to meet up with Citico Rd. Citico is generally well -raded gravel/dirt along a creek. More adventurous riders may want to add the Doublecamp Creek loop to the route (though I personally haven't ridden that road ... yet). NOTE: I've included a waypoint to assist in routing.

Lunch is out on US-411 in Vonore TN ... a nice lake side restaurant called Lakehouse Grill. From there it's a short dash back to FVR via the Dragon and HellBender 28 along the Tennessee River.


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#988839 - 06/07/17 02:39 AM Re: UnRally XVI 2017 - GPS Route Files [Re: TyTass]  
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Thank you Craig for the extra effort in creating all of these routes, especially the dual sport ones.
Great job! thumbsup


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#988845 - 06/07/17 04:05 AM Re: UnRally XVI 2017 - GPS Route Files [Re: Bernie]  
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You're welcome, but the Off-road routes are largely Bill's.


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#988868 - 06/07/17 12:52 PM Re: UnRally XVI 2017 - GPS Route Files [Re: TyTass]  
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#989257 - 06/12/17 10:51 PM Re: UnRally XVI 2017 - GPS Route Files [Re: TyTass]  
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Well, Bill's and some input from Kenny.


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#989261 - 06/13/17 12:22 AM Re: UnRally XVI 2017 - GPS Route Files [Re: TyTass]  
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Thank you Craig, Bill and Kenny. Great job as always. thumbsup


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#989452 - 06/15/17 12:25 AM Re: UnRally XVI 2017 - GPS Route Files [Re: Bernie]  
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Thanks for all the hard-work on the routes guys! MUCH appreciated...

I actually rode the Tatham Gap Rd (Part of the historic Trail of Tears) and the views up there were absolutely awesome! Well worth the ride, imho. The road wasn't dicey at all and actually quite good when I rode it back in April during an Ironhorse Lodge camping stay.

Not sure if most folks know about this website, but here's a map view of what I rode:
https://gravelmap.com/route/11974-tatham-gap-rd-to-long-creek#@35.321750599199596,-83.96686201171872,11,roadmap

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#989463 - 06/15/17 01:55 AM Re: UnRally XVI 2017 - GPS Route Files [Re: cyclingkk]  
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Great web site! Thanks


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#989483 - 06/15/17 12:37 PM Re: UnRally XVI 2017 - GPS Route Files [Re: cyclingkk]  
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Originally Posted By: cyclingkk
Thanks for all the hard-work on the routes guys! MUCH appreciated...

I actually rode the Tatham Gap Rd (Part of the historic Trail of Tears) and the views up there were absolutely awesome! Well worth the ride, imho. The road wasn't dicey at all and actually quite good when I rode it back in April during an Ironhorse Lodge camping stay.

Not sure if most folks know about this website, but here's a map view of what I rode:
https://gravelmap.com/route/11974-tatham-gap-rd-to-long-creek#@35.321750599199596,-83.96686201171872,11,roadmap

Keith


Yes, thanks, Keith. This is a pretty good resource. However, it, like most of the others is fairly incomplete. There are tons of dirt roads missing in that area and many of these are paved and have been paved for many years (e.g., River Rd, that goes btwn N River Rd and Bald River Falls has been paved for at least 8 years).

I have found several resources like this for researching off-road routes, but few actually give a description of the scenery, fewer yet describe how difficult any portion of the road is (and when there a description its relative to the skill of the writer which is ???), and almost none of them provide updates about closings (which occur often). For example, Parsons Branch Road, which is a popular one way gravel/dirt road from Cades Cove to Deals Gap is currently closed.

I've found you have to use several to piece together a very useful picture and status.


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