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#989247 - 06/12/17 08:44 PM Re: R1200RT Audio including radar detector - bluetooth or wired? [Re: Ralphie]  
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Originally Posted By: Ralphie
Originally Posted By: Bill_Walker
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Bill, you can pair your phone to the GPS. Then when you make or receive a call, it will be going from the SENA or similar headset to the SM10, then through the wires to the GPS and to the phone, like it did with your Autocom unit
At least that is what I have been told. I am in the process of converting from Autocom to Bluetooth and hope that a SM10 and a 20S with my old Autocom wires will do the trick.


I think that's only true if I have the bike audio paired to the Sena via Bluetooth. In the scenario above, bike/GPS audio is being picked up from the bike's speaker wires, which are unidirectional. But it may be that all I need is the SM10 to feed in the V1. But, as mentioned, I'd like to hear from somebody who's actually done it this way.

I think the resulting pairing from that setup would be:
1) Phone paired to Nav VI
2) Bike paired to Sena
3) SM10 with V1 paired to Sena.

I've heard the audio quality of the bike's Bluetooth is pretty bad, though.

Here's the key question: if I DON'T CARE about making phone calls, is there any advantage to having bidirectional communication with my phone? Will it be useful, say, to be able to ask Siri to do things? If not, then the setup Ralphie detailed seems like the way to go.

In thinking further, it seems I need the SM10 either way if I'm going Bluetooth, and the only question is whether to add the Motochello bridge. So I can try it without it first, and then add the bridge if I don't like it.


Your path forward seems perfectly logical. The only thing you give up pairing the bike to via Bluetooth vs. the Motochello speaker bridge is volume control via the "wonder wheel" near the handlebar. If you connect the bike audio to the SM10 via the Motochello bridge you will be able to raise and lower volume with the wonder wheel and/or 20S. Bluetooth directly to Sena leaves volume control to Sena only. Not a big deal, just a point of information.

I think you have this well sorted. Drop me a PM if I can help any further as I don't always get notification when new post are made here.


Hold on, there is another possibility for the V-1 connection.
Valentines website has now a Bluetooth module available.
With that you should be able to pair your V-1 with your phone.
Then your phone with the Navigator VI and that with your Sena 20S.
This will eliminate the need for the SM-10.
It will also elevate the priority of the V-1 onto the same level as a phone conversation, at least I hope so.
Dave (workin' them angels) is testing it sometimes this week.


Bernie
Jax, FL
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#989255 - 06/12/17 10:02 PM Re: R1200RT Audio including radar detector - bluetooth or wired? [Re: Bernie]  
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Originally Posted By: Bernie
Hold on, there is another possibility for the V-1 connection.
Valentines website has now a Bluetooth module available.
With that you should be able to pair your V-1 with your phone.
Then your phone with the Navigator VI and that with your Sena 20S.
This will eliminate the need for the SM-10.
It will also elevate the priority of the V-1 onto the same level as a phone conversation, at least I hope so.
Dave (workin' them angels) is testing it sometimes this week.



As I understand it, that module remotes the V1 display and other functions to your phone screen, which means your phone has to be mounted where you can see it. I would bet that it only passes audio to Bluetooth if you're listening to Bluetooth audio from your phone, i.e., using your phone as a music source. That's been my experience with other phone apps using Bluetooth in the car, at any rate.


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#989260 - 06/13/17 12:18 AM Re: R1200RT Audio including radar detector - bluetooth or wired? [Re: Bill_Walker]  
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Well Bill, that is all stuff I don't know yet.
I hope Dave can shed some light on it after his test ride this week, or at the UnRally.
I been told you can hear the V-1 signals through the phone, without having to look at the phone. But it may only come through as a notification and not as constant sound.
All I know, life used be easier with the Autocom units.
What I have experienced so far with my Sena 20S and the SM-10, is that if you have a phone call or a intercom, the SM-10 gets muted.
This is because Sena decided that the music channel is the bottom of the priority list. So you will not hear your V-1 if you are playing music from your phone or GPS directly to the 20S.
The SR-10 unit, which is a B2B module, is higher up in the priority list. And it should be able over ride the music channel.
You may want to check the RKA website, it has lots of YouTube videos, you may find some good information there.


Bernie
Jax, FL
2018 R1200RT, Alpinweiss, starting out fresh.
2007 R1200RT, Double Silver 188,700 Smiles, SOLD
2000 R1100RT, Opal 104,000 Smiles, SOLD
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#989268 - 06/13/17 01:40 AM Re: R1200RT Audio including radar detector - bluetooth or wired? [Re: Bill_Walker]  
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Not an issue for me, because my music will be coming in THROUGH the SM10. Radar will go into the AUX port, which has higher priority than the other port.


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#989270 - 06/13/17 01:41 AM Re: R1200RT Audio including radar detector - bluetooth or wired? [Re: Bill_Walker]  
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But yeah, the wired comm units have an advantage in that the vendor is in complete control of the prioritization of inputs. Bluetooth units are occasionally at the mercy of the defined Bluetooth protocols.


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'15 R1200RT
'12 Kawasaki KLX250S
'04 R1150RT (gone)
'02 Suzuki V-Strom (gone)
#989339 - 06/13/17 09:48 PM Re: R1200RT Audio including radar detector - bluetooth or wired? [Re: Bill_Walker]  
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So, I'm thinking of mounting the SM10 and my V1 remote audio adapter, and possibly the Motochello speaker bridge, if I can fit it in there, in the left "glovebox" on the RTW. But I'm wondering if they'll stand the heat, especially during 100+ degree desert crossings. The Rider's Manual warns that those compartments can become quite warm. Any experience here?


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'15 R1200RT
'12 Kawasaki KLX250S
'04 R1150RT (gone)
'02 Suzuki V-Strom (gone)
#989359 - 06/13/17 11:52 PM Re: R1200RT Audio including radar detector - bluetooth or wired? [Re: Bill_Walker]  
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I just installed a new Cobra with the Bluetooth feature. Paired to my iPhone which is paired to my SMH 10. It talks to me and gives me an alert sound as well. Seems to work good. It's very small in size. Smaller than a pack of cigarettes.

#989370 - 06/14/17 01:26 AM Re: R1200RT Audio including radar detector - bluetooth or wired? [Re: Bill_Walker]  
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Originally Posted By: Bill_Walker
So, I'm thinking of mounting the SM10 and my V1 remote audio adapter, and possibly the Motochello speaker bridge, if I can fit it in there, in the left "glovebox" on the RTW. But I'm wondering if they'll stand the heat, especially during 100+ degree desert crossings. The Rider's Manual warns that those compartments can become quite warm. Any experience here?


The Motochello bridge isn't exactly tiny -- it actually seems large for its function. Anyway, I wired my Motochello at the Alpine unit and it sits under the rear saddle, since the "glove boxes" are premium space. I do know my iPhone gets pretty warm in the right glove box being right over the radiator. On hot days if I know I'll be on a long ride I run a USB extension out of the glove box so it charges either in my pocket or in my tank bag, since charging adds heat.


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#989375 - 06/14/17 02:52 AM Re: R1200RT Audio including radar detector - bluetooth or wired? [Re: JohnH VA]  
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Originally Posted By: JohnH VA
The Motochello bridge isn't exactly tiny -- it actually seems large for its function.


I've been wondering about that. There's no size info on Rocket Moto's site. Mine is due to arrive tomorrow. The wiring diagram would appear to indicate that it's a passive unit, i.e., no power connections are required. Is that right?

If it sits under the rear saddle, where did you run the audio output to in your setup? I'm a bit worried about picking up ignition noise or something if I have to run it very far to get to the SM10. That also seems like an inconvenient location should you ever want to flip the switch to use the speakers.


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'15 R1200RT
'12 Kawasaki KLX250S
'04 R1150RT (gone)
'02 Suzuki V-Strom (gone)
#989412 - 06/14/17 06:17 PM Re: R1200RT Audio including radar detector - bluetooth or wired? [Re: Bill_Walker]  
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I originally had my Motochello speaker bridge and SM10 under the passenger seat. It was not ideal with the owners manual there so I moved it under the rear rack. I can tuck it under there when I don't need access to it and pull it out when I do.

I was going to hide it under the right side painted plastic panel under the seats but did not like the limited access so I just used that space to store some of the excess length from the cords.

Since I am powering the SM10 from the bike I'm using a ground loop isolator like this: https://www.amazon.com/Mpow-Ground-Isola...stereo+isolator, between the speaker bridge and SM10. When I used to run wired communication systems that feedback without isolated connections was a real concern. I've run the speaker bridge connected to the SM10 with and without the isolator and don't notice noise with or without the isolator. I just run it because I own it and it can't hurt.

I've never been a fan of music blasting from a bike so I never have music through the bike speaker. However, if I did, it would not be difficult to get under the passenger seat and reach up under the rear rack and getting access to the speaker bridge switch.

I do not believe you could easily fit the speaker bridge in the fairing pocket. It would be taking real estate which is too valuable for my taste.

I've connected this type of speaker bridge to six BMW Alpine units. The earlier installs I tapped into the Alpine unit real close to the Alpine unit where BMW left the wires unwrapped. When I sold those bikes and needed to reconnect the wires I did not have as much wire to play with. In recent installs I peel back the tape holding the wires together and make the connections a couple of inches further away from the Alpine unit. It gives my hands more room to play with on the initial install and more room to play with when I reconnect the wires when it is time to sell the bike.

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