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#995758 - 08/30/17 08:08 PM Re: Bad smell under acceleration [Re: Dann]  
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Afternoon Daniel

Just keep in mind that a good number of "HEAVY DUTY AND OIL PROOF" clutch disks have a rather harsh & grabby engagement.

I can't comment on the one that you are looking at but just a general comment about those oil proof clutch disks.


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#995869 - 09/01/17 01:50 AM Re: Bad smell under acceleration [Re: dirtrider]  
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Originally Posted By: dirtrider
Afternoon Daniel

Just keep in mind that a good number of "HEAVY DUTY AND OIL PROOF" clutch disks have a rather harsh & grabby engagement.

I can't comment on the one that you are looking at but just a general comment about those oil proof clutch disks.


Evening DR

Thanks for warning

While shopping for clutch parts I noticed something that puzzled me on the Motoworks.com web site

They sell a clutch alignment tool similar to the OEM one (That I ordered)but they mention that it is not suitable for oil resistant friction discs

Quote:
Clutch alignment tool | TOA12652

Fits R1200
Any home mechanic who has struggled to line up a gearbox up to a misaligned clutch spline would appreciate how useful this tool can be.
The tool aligns the friction plate to the flywheel for proper position and ease of installation.
Please note that this tool is NOT suitable for the oil resistant type plates but IS suitable for use with the long spline version CLA33262 of the R1100S and R1150 friction plate.
We also sell a universal clutch alignment tool part number TOA12653 which suits all models of BMW with single plate clutch.



What is different with those discs and will the OEM tool work for them?


Last edited by Dann; 09/01/17 01:55 AM.

Daniel

If you can park it, and not turn around to admire it before walking away, you bought the wrong one.
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#995884 - 09/01/17 11:17 AM Re: Bad smell under acceleration [Re: Dann]  
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Originally Posted By: Dann
Originally Posted By: dirtrider
Afternoon Daniel

Just keep in mind that a good number of "HEAVY DUTY AND OIL PROOF" clutch disks have a rather harsh & grabby engagement.

I can't comment on the one that you are looking at but just a general comment about those oil proof clutch disks.


Evening DR

Thanks for warning

While shopping for clutch parts I noticed something that puzzled me on the Motoworks.com web site

They sell a clutch alignment tool similar to the OEM one (That I ordered)but they mention that it is not suitable for oil resistant friction discs

Quote:
Clutch alignment tool | TOA12652

Fits R1200
Any home mechanic who has struggled to line up a gearbox up to a misaligned clutch spline would appreciate how useful this tool can be.
The tool aligns the friction plate to the flywheel for proper position and ease of installation.
Please note that this tool is NOT suitable for the oil resistant type plates but IS suitable for use with the long spline version CLA33262 of the R1100S and R1150 friction plate.
We also sell a universal clutch alignment tool part number TOA12653 which suits all models of BMW with single plate clutch.



What is different with those discs and will the OEM tool work for them?



Morning Daniel

Good question. I don't know the answer but my g-u-e-s-s is that the tool doesn't fit the splines tight enough for the tool to force or hold the disk to center.

Maybe a call or E-Mail to the company as they should (hopefully) have the correct answer.

For a one time deal you can install the clutch disk to eyeball centered but leave the attaching bolts just loose enough to allow the trans input shaft to pull the disk to center as the trans is slid into place.

Then (with trans slid into place) reach in through the starter hole or down through the top cover opening & tighten the clutch bolts as much as you can (that will hold the disk solidly in place.

Then slide the trans back out & properly torque the clutch bolts.

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#995975 - 09/02/17 01:42 PM Re: Bad smell under acceleration [Re: Dann]  
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My redneck alignment tool has worked every time for me.

and only costs some tape so long as you have some metric deep sockets.


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#996126 - 09/04/17 03:39 PM Re: Bad smell under acceleration [Re: dirtrider]  
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Afternoon DR
BTW Something is weird with the site.
This happened a few times: When I paste something in my reply, the preview looks ok, but when I post the reply, all the text is gone (Even the one I didn't paste). Only my signature shows up on the site.

Anyway,
This is the answer I got from Motoworks about the centring pin:
Quote:
The tools don't currently fit the oil resistant plates because the plates are just that much tighter.
Our tool is an exact copy of the BMW tool so I doubt that it would be any different.

Last edited by Dann; 09/04/17 04:34 PM.

Daniel

If you can park it, and not turn around to admire it before walking away, you bought the wrong one.
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#996127 - 09/04/17 03:47 PM Re: Bad smell under acceleration [Re: Dann]  
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Good Afternoon DR

re-posted from above Dann post.

This is the answer I got from Motorworks about the Centring Pin.
[quote]The tools don’t currently fit the oil resistant the oil resistant plates because the plates are just that much tighter.

Our tool is an exact copy of the BMW tool so I doubt that it would be any different.

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#996488 - 09/09/17 11:21 PM Re: Bad smell under acceleration [Re: dirtrider]  
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To add to the confusion, this is the answer I got from Moto-Bins (Where I got my friction disc from)


Quote:
We have not had any issues with the ones we have sold so far and not heard of this type of issue. As for the cantering tool, you don't usually need to use one on these bikes and don't sell one so can't check it. But, as I said, we have not had any reported issues with the plate.


This the one I got from Beemer boneyard

Quote:
That is a new one on me. Splines on the oil resistant clutches have to be the same as OEM or they would not fit on the transmission shaft.
Maybe the ones Motoworks sells are slightly different?


I guess I'll see when I get the tool and install the clutch...

(I'm still waiting for the grub screws that I need to remove the rear section of the bike and get to the clutch.)

I also found this video. It's not a R1200 but it's a similar type clutch. Just some more info to complement the RepROM which is so far very clear.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gzR4WHD-94


Daniel

If you can park it, and not turn around to admire it before walking away, you bought the wrong one.
IBA # 56396
MOA # 171966
R1200RT 2007
#996903 - 09/15/17 12:04 AM Re: Bad smell under acceleration [Re: Dann]  
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I was able to separate the bike and get to the clutch today.

One step was not mentioned in the RepROM. There is a box where the throttle cables connect attached to the air box that needs to be removed before you can separate the frame.

This is what it looked like:






I had no issue installing the new one with the tool I had that wasn't supposed to be compatible with oil resistant clutch plates.

I replaced the whole clutch assembly but I will need to get a new cover. mine melted...



Daniel

If you can park it, and not turn around to admire it before walking away, you bought the wrong one.
IBA # 56396
MOA # 171966
R1200RT 2007
#997043 - 09/16/17 10:38 AM Re: Bad smell under acceleration [Re: Dann]  
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Cripes mate, and you didn't notice it slipping?
How about the grinding sound from rivets on metal.
You'll need to replace everything.


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01 530i M-Sport
#997158 - 09/18/17 12:48 AM Re: Bad smell under acceleration [Re: RobinW]  
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The job is done now clap

Back on the road again

Everything went well.

I had to redo the whole drive shaft / swing arm replacement job also because the shaft slipped off the rear spline when I separated the bike in two.

With this new friction disc I feel like I have more torque than I ever had.

Thanks to everyone for your comments


Daniel

If you can park it, and not turn around to admire it before walking away, you bought the wrong one.
IBA # 56396
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