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#995590 - 08/28/17 04:03 PM Re: Shifting gears in the WB's [Re: Paul De]  
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Originally Posted By: Paul De
I guess I'm easy to please. A nice reassuring clunk into 1st while stopped is a big so what for me. My '15 RT shifts very well even w/o using Shift Assistant Pro. Is it a shifting benchmark machine, no, but it shifts well enough that shifting is no longer a top of mind deliberate process in the riding experience. The lizard part of my brain handles the shifting chore on my '15RT, and that is just as it should be. BMW engineers should sleep well are night as far as I'm concerned...or maybe they lay awake wondering if they have EPA cheater software some where in the product line, but it isn't the K52 transmission keeping them awake.

Facts are a stubborn things. I am not bashing my '99 or '71 BMW bikes, but the fact is they were not easy bikes to shift smoothly, it took practice and deliberate thinking to do it.

Can't speak to comparison with a 2004 RT but my '15 RT smokes my '99RT from 0 to what ever speed the '99 runs out of breath. Maybe turn off the ASC and do a hole shot to get the 2004 in the rearview.
Ain't no way that dry clutch beast will like that kind of launch burnout

+1


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#999495 - 10/23/17 04:39 PM Re: Shifting gears in the WB's [Re: fastlarry]  
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I am new to this forum as I just upgraded from an ST1300 with 140k miles. I was pretty surprised at how unrefined the transmission on the RT feels compared to the smooth and silent Honda Transmission. The more miles I put on the RT I am getting better at keeping the clunking to a minimum but it is still the single part that I feel is a downgrade from the Honda.

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#999526 - 10/24/17 01:35 AM Re: Shifting gears in the WB's [Re: fastlarry]  
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Hi Bob,

I've had 5 RTs. The RT's clunky shifting can be explained by Geico's TV commercial schtick: "It's What They Do."

The 17's is a slight improvement but only slight.


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#999552 - 10/24/17 02:47 PM Re: Shifting gears in the WB's [Re: JohnH VA]  
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Originally Posted by JohnH VA


The 17's is a slight improvement but only slight.

I'd say from my '17 that it is a BIG improvement.
when warm, N to 1st clunks but that's all.

#999683 - 10/25/17 08:46 PM Re: Shifting gears in the WB's [Re: Bob Woodsom]  
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Originally Posted by Bob Woodsom
I am new to this forum as I just upgraded from an ST1300 with 140k miles. I was pretty surprised at how unrefined the transmission on the RT feels compared to the smooth and silent Honda Transmission. The more miles I put on the RT I am getting better at keeping the clunking to a minimum but it is still the single part that I feel is a downgrade from the Honda.


Lol. I rode a '71 R75/5 back in the day which had a 4 speed clunk box for a transmission, then bought a '83 Kawi GPz which exposed me to a slick shifting transmission (loved the positive neutral finding feature as well). Took a decade off from riding and then bought my '99RT. And was shocked that BMW had made no discernible refinements toward a slick shifting transmission in those intervening DECADES. My '15 RT was a huge improvement even though it still is not benchmark. That said, for what ever reason in their respective decade each of my BMWs had that something that made them a joy to ride.


If the good old days were so damn good, why did we bother to invent modern times?

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#999696 - 10/26/17 08:49 AM Re: Shifting gears in the WB's [Re: Bob Woodsom]  
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Originally Posted by Bob Woodsom
I am new to this forum as I just upgraded from an ST1300 with 140k miles. I was pretty surprised at how unrefined the transmission on the RT feels compared to the smooth and silent Honda Transmission. The more miles I put on the RT I am getting better at keeping the clunking to a minimum but it is still the single part that I feel is a downgrade from the Honda.


What RT have you bought?

#1000631 - 11/10/17 02:25 PM Re: Shifting gears in the WB's [Re: fastlarry]  
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I took my '15RT in for a maintenance service...brrrr 38F on the ride there and 27F on the way home. Anyway, the dealer let me have a 2017 RT for a loaner so I could run over to work instead of hanging around. I asked if they have a '17 or '18 specifically to check out the refined shifting VS my RT. I will say it was a noticeable improvement, with no apparent clunk N>1 and shifting was slick snicks up and down the gear. I could find Neutral easier than my '15 as well. I think the lever throw is still longish like my '15 which IMHO kept it from being a benchmark shifting bike, but I'm splitting hairs as it shifted very nice. shifts made using SAP was the same as my '15.

Being only about 5 miles away I don't think the '17RT was thoroughly warm and it had about 550 miles on it so still very new and tight. I was most interested in comparing to my '15 for the ride home as my bike now had fresh oil and was ice cold just like the '17 was. Back on my '15 for the ride home it had the reassuring BMW clunk N>1 and shifts were positive but with more of a smack than a snick between gears. The differences were not so large that I would trade in my '15 for a '17 for improved shifting, but If I were in the market for a used RT, I would prefer a '17 over a '16 if the price gap was not too large.

On a side note, the red on black '18 RT sitting on the sales floor had me lusting a bit, but I will wait for the new TFT dash before I get too serious about trading up a few model years.


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#1000635 - 11/10/17 03:23 PM Re: Shifting gears in the WB's [Re: fastlarry]  
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The Red and Black won't look so yummy once the new owner has fitted a taller screen (as many of us do). After that, it will just look like another RT Wethead...Unless of course we were talking about an Iconic which still looks dreamily fantastic.

Even the 17/18 model years 'clunk' into first once warm. However, all the other changes are noticeably slicker.

#1000653 - 11/10/17 06:06 PM Re: Shifting gears in the WB's [Re: AndyS]  
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Originally Posted by AndyS
The Red and Black won't look so yummy once the new owner has fitted a taller screen (as many of us do). After that, it will just look like another RT Wethead...Unless of course we were talking about an Iconic which still looks dreamily fantastic.
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If one is smitten toward redheads, then a nose out of proportion with the face would not be a concerngrin


If the good old days were so damn good, why did we bother to invent modern times?

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#1000687 - 11/11/17 04:04 AM Re: Shifting gears in the WB's [Re: Green RT]  
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Originally Posted by Green RT
Originally Posted by Paul De
I guess I'm easy to please.

+1


+2 I don't like the N>1st gear clunk so I avoid it. Whenever I get to the front side of a traffic signal I always leave the bike in 1st and kill the engine after verifying it's generally safe to do so vis a vis approaching traffic from the rear. In 27K miles now since new in March 18, 2016 I've only shifted from N>1st maybe 12-15x. My fantasy is that a starter really isn't going to wear out from repeated us per se. I would say for most days out for 40-60 miles on average I end up killing the engine about 2-3x as the rest of the intersections are green lights back side of red lights. I don't like the sound and feel of the N>1st clunk it just feels course and 'agricultural' so I avoid it which is very easy to do. It does surprise me they did not engineer out this behavior which apparently some of the Japanese bikes in similar weight classes have been able to do much better. Since there is a workaround it never bother me.

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