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#995444 - 08/26/17 02:15 AM Re: Why - the thread of bad engineering ... [Re: TEWKS]  
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My once upon a time Firebird...Want to change heater hose on 78 bird. It's between the inner and outer fenders.


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#995462 - 08/26/17 01:42 PM Re: Why - the thread of bad engineering ... [Re: lkraus]  
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Originally Posted By: lkraus
Originally Posted By: Dave McReynolds
There should be another 1/4 covering features I have, but either aren't explained or are glossed over in typical millennial fashion.


I'm pretty sure this omission is intentional. If there is no explanation of how a feature should work, you have no basis for complaint when it does not work as you might expect. I'm convinced Garmin uses this strategy to save on support costs.


Excellent point!
I think the assumption is that people will not be doing their own work on their machines. As things have gotten increasingly complex and computer-based, there is less and less we can do on our own machines and the more we are forced to rely on dealerships. Revenue-generation added to the decreased ability to DIY.

With the increased complexity of machinery, added to demand for lightness and compactness, engine compartments are crammed full in modern vehicles. Something's got to give in terms of where to put things for accessibility.
Long gone are the days when I could work on the 6-cyl. engine of my 1956 Chevy pickup sitting on the fender with my legs inside the engine compartment!


I knew I'd end up disillusioned. I just thought it would be better than this.

#995469 - 08/26/17 05:17 PM Re: Why - the thread of bad engineering ... [Re: doc47]  
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Originally Posted By: doc47
With the increased complexity of machinery, added to demand for lightness and compactness, engine compartments are crammed full in modern vehicles. Something's got to give in terms of where to put things for accessibility.
Long gone are the days when I could work on the 6-cyl. engine of my 1956 Chevy pickup sitting on the fender with my legs inside the engine compartment!


That's for sure! My wife had a 2000 328i that developed a crack in the radiator catch tank. I could see the tank right there, and I could see the cracked edge. I figured I'd just replace it myself. The amount of other parts I had to remove to get that tank loose was ridiculous!


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'15 R1200RT
'12 Kawasaki KLX250S
'04 R1150RT (gone)
'02 Suzuki V-Strom (gone)
#995470 - 08/26/17 05:19 PM Re: Why - the thread of bad engineering ... [Re: Medic Mike]  
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Originally Posted By: Medic Mike
One of my favorites are with the Chevy Volt, Nissan Leaf and Toyota Prius. The fine engineers at these companies thought it was a good idea to run MAJOR high voltage wiring through the A posts (front posts on both driver and passenger where the windshield and windows are connected) then run them along the top of the vehicle to the back. This makes it almost impossible to cut someone out of a car without getting electrocuted. Pat will probably have a better explanation than I.


Don't those cars have an automatic high voltage battery disconnect when the airbags go off? I've had gas cars that automatically cut off the fuel pump in any impact (never had to use it, but the procedure to reset it was in the owner's manual).


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'15 R1200RT
'12 Kawasaki KLX250S
'04 R1150RT (gone)
'02 Suzuki V-Strom (gone)
#995471 - 08/26/17 05:41 PM Re: Why - the thread of bad engineering ... [Re: Sonor]  
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Have found out that about 40 fasteners have to be removed to change oil in the F 650 GS I bought. rofl
dopeslap dopeslap
Or get a cheap pump and pump the oil out thru the fill (which is under your tank bag!

For your entertainment and enjoyment.

http://www.pointsunknown.com/blog/2009/11/changing-the-oil-on-the-2001-bmw-f650gs/

"The black oil tank, which has fins built in, is now visible. The tank needs to be removed from the bike so it can be tilted, to enable a complete draining." Really??????? dopeslap


95% of an RT.

I haven't had too many Beemers, I just don't have enough time.
#995474 - 08/26/17 07:39 PM Re: Why - the thread of bad engineering ... [Re: Sonor]  
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Ohh, I forgot to mention the great design of the 1150RT battery location...under the right tupperwear under the fuel tank. I learned that lesson the hard way... One of the first things I did when I bought my 1200RT was ask where the battery was located. If they had said the same place I may have gone with a different bike.

Mike


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2006 R1200RT Piedmont Red (totaled)
2004 R1150 RT-P my first love (re-homed)
FDNY-343. I will never forget.
#995479 - 08/26/17 11:46 PM Re: Why - the thread of bad engineering ... [Re: Bud]  
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Bud,
people would flinch when given a quote for oil changes on the early version.
Like 1.5 hours.
tongue


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Tim
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1996 R 100 RSL
1980 R 100 RT
1972 R 75
1968 R 50
All now gone...

#995480 - 08/27/17 12:04 AM Re: Why - the thread of bad engineering ... [Re: Medic Mike]  
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Originally Posted By: Medic Mike
Ohh, I forgot to mention the great design of the 1150RT battery location...under the right tupperwear under the fuel tank. I learned that lesson the hard way... One of the first things I did when I bought my 1200RT was ask where the battery was located. If they had said the same place I may have gone with a different bike.

Mike


Yes, but now you need to remove ALL the tupperware just to change the air filter!


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'15 R1200RT
'12 Kawasaki KLX250S
'04 R1150RT (gone)
'02 Suzuki V-Strom (gone)
#995485 - 08/27/17 01:43 AM Re: Why - the thread of bad engineering ... [Re: Dave McReynolds]  
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Originally Posted By: Dave McReynolds
...There is a button on my steering wheel which is not explained in the manual, and nobody I have asked at the dealer know what it is supposed to do. I have pushed it a few times in different circumstances, but it has never done anything....


Somewhere in Florida, somebody's garage door is going up and down for some unknown reason...


I'm a man, and I can change, if I have to, I guess.

Eric
#995486 - 08/27/17 02:04 AM Re: Why - the thread of bad engineering ... [Re: Sonor]  
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Buy a tv, dvd, stereo, etc. there's one, or maybe a few buttons on the front. The remote has dozens of buttons. Lose it, or the dog chews the remote, and the whole thing becomes a paperweight.

On a related note: I dunno if any of you shop at goodwill. I go there for treasure hunting. Once in a while you find a nice, vintage Nakamichi tape deck or similar. And of course, the remote is AWOL. Down at the end of the aisle, there's a big box full of homeless remotes. None of which say Nakamichi on them....

Whenever I donate something, I duct tape the remote to the unit. I'm sure I'm not the only person that does that. Why the store policy is to separate the two is beyond me.


I'm a man, and I can change, if I have to, I guess.

Eric
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