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#995803 - 08/31/17 12:58 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: BamaRider]
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Owned a R9T, perhaps bring back the R100RS fairing, something that provides protection just don't need the speakers/etc/etc

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#995812 - 08/31/17 02:57 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: BamaRider]
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So it's generally agreed HD has a problem with millennials?
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#995814 - 08/31/17 04:06 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: BamaRider]
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Originally Posted By: BamaRider
So it's generally agreed HD has a problem with millennials?


Millennials have a problem with Millennials.

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#995817 - 08/31/17 04:20 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: BamaRider]
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The big issue as I see it is cost. Back when I got into motorcycles you could actually buy and ride a motorcycle for less per mile, and with a lower threshold of entry, than you could a car. During the 1990's and 2000's the motorcycle industry decided to concentrate on performance with less concern toward MSRP. All the while, the car industry was managing costs through automation, globalization, and platform standardization. Now, the choice seems to be between a Yamaha R-1 with MotoGP inspired traction control and an economy car with a/c, ABS, and good MPG, or no car at all; communicate with friend on social media and use Uber or transit when you need to physically go somewhere.

I'm old enough to remember being told not to buy a piece of 'Japanese cr@p' when I was looking for my first bike. I think the current OEM's ignore China's first forays into the market at their peril. Here's why: if you go over to the University of MN campus in Minneapolis you'll see a huge number of cheap, Chinese scooters being ridden around. The current generation of college kids might not view Chinese motorcycles with the stigma that today's riders do, and might (when they get established) be willing to buy a modestly priced motorcycle from China. Which could push those factories to improve their productions and make better, cheaper machines. Or not. My suspicion is that if HD doesn't find a way to lower their production costs they'll need to be bought out by some younger investors who know how to appeal to millennial buyers.

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#995824 - 08/31/17 05:40 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: TEWKS]
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Originally Posted By: TEWKS
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If my budget was larger, I would be on that bike!
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#995825 - 08/31/17 06:12 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: Antimatter]
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Originally Posted By: Antimatter
Back when I got into motorcycles you could actually buy and ride a motorcycle for less per mile, and with a lower threshold of entry, than you could a car.


I think that's still true. The Ninja 300 is currently selling new for $5,000; HD's 750 is selling for $7,600. Fit either one with touring tires, and I think your per-mile cost is going to beat an entry level car.

For the Ninja:
Code:
Miles per year	15000
	
Insurance per year	$250 
insurance cost per mile	$0.017
	
	
purchase cost	$5,000.00
selling cost	$2,000.00
duration	5
cost per mile	$0.040
	
Tire cost	$240.00
Tire life	12000
Tire cost per mile	$0.020
	
MPG	60
gas price	$3.10 
fuel cost per mile:	$0.052
	
Oil change interval:	6000
Oil change cost:	$40 
oil cost per mile:	$0.007
	
Gear	$1,000.00 
Gear life	60000
Gear cost per mile	$0.017
	
	
Ninja total cost per mile:	$0.152


For a Honda Fit:
Code:
Miles per year	15000
	
Insurance per year	$400 
insurance cost per mile	$0.027
	
	
purchase cost	$16,000.00
selling cost	$5,000.00
duration	5
cost per mile	$0.147
	
Tire cost	$200.00
Tire life	35000
Tire cost per mile	$0.006
	
MPG	35
gas price	$3.00 
fuel cost per mile:	$0.086
	
Oil change interval:	6000
Oil change cost:	$30 
oil cost per mile:	$0.005
	
	
	
Honda Fit total cost per mile:	$0.270

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#995826 - 08/31/17 06:17 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: BamaRider]
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On nice weekend days there is an almost continuous stream of Harleys parading along the Puget Sound. They seem to ride a ferry from Seattle, go for a cruise, and then go back home. Most of the riders are young enough to continue doing that for another 10-15 years.

So, there is a demand for loud and shinny things. Maybe the market for new ones is just saturated.

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#995828 - 08/31/17 06:25 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: Joe Frickin' Friday]
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Originally Posted By: Joe Frickin' Friday
I think that's still true. The Ninja 300 is currently selling new for $5,000; HD's 750 is selling for $7,600.


The HD 500 Street is selling for somewhere in the middle of that at $6,899.00

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#995829 - 08/31/17 06:52 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: Lone_RT_rider]
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Originally Posted By: Lone_RT_rider
The HD 500 Street is selling for somewhere in the middle of that at $6,899.00


Whoops, missed that one on their website, thanks. More than a Ninja, but still much cheaper than a car.

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#995831 - 08/31/17 06:55 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: Joe Frickin' Friday]
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Originally Posted By: Joe Frickin' Friday
Originally Posted By: Lone_RT_rider
The HD 500 Street is selling for somewhere in the middle of that at $6,899.00


Whoops, missed that one on their website, thanks. More than a Ninja, but still much cheaper than a car.


I just spent 4 hours on one this morning taking a class. I can vouch that it's a decent bike for the money.

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