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#995854 - 09/01/17 01:04 AM Re: The Harley State [Re: John Bentall]  
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Originally Posted By: John Bentall
The huge assumption being made here is that the alternative to the HD is "wasp" bikes.

The alternative to HD for the millenials might be to gaze lovingly at their tablet phones doing social networking or whatever else.


Or kayaking, or stand-up paddleboarding, or mountain biking, or skateboarding, or going to festivals, or, or, or. They seem to be into things that don't use much gasoline.


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#995857 - 09/01/17 01:12 AM Re: The Harley State [Re: elkroeger]  
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Originally Posted By: elkroeger
I always thought shutting down the Buell line was a mistake. I'd like to see them resurrect that, with some different engine configurations. Like BMW did with the F or K series.... I might look twice at a Buell dual sport single. But what do I know?


Buells had their issues, but IMHO, the biggest problem with Buell was that they were sold at H-D dealers. As others have mentioned, the H-D brand has a very strong image that's tied to nostalgia and brand loyalty. And that goes right down to the people working in the dealerships, in my admittedly limited experience (I did have a Road King for 10,000 miles). It never occurred to most people looking for other kinds of bikes to look for them in an H-D dealership, and they wouldn't have felt comfortable there if they did. And the people in the dealership weren't very interested in dealing with people that weren't interested in their tradition, and really had no idea how to sell a Buell.

And that is Harley's problem. To break out of that, they'll have to start (or buy) another brand with a separate dealer network.


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#995870 - 09/01/17 01:55 AM Re: The Harley State [Re: BamaRider]  
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As someone noted a few posts back. HD is in a catch 22. They are heavy into their tradition. A concept most millennials care less about. But they have run out of boomers who can/will buy their bikes. So what now? Their bikes have 0 appeal to 99% of most millennials.

I don't have the answer.


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#995885 - 09/01/17 11:50 AM Re: The Harley State [Re: BamaRider]  
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What ever to project Live Wire? A clear attempt to leapfrog into a future free of the past genre. Seemed like something pretty cool and styling is not tied to their legacy. The site is active and have a jobs page. Maybe trying to lure a few folks from Johnson Controls, or Rockwell here in town to take a leap of faith... Might work if they don't run into Erik Buell

Might even get some traditionalist if they add a kilowatt of audio power and tie in samples of their gas powered V twin synched to the rheostat (throttle) rofl



If the good old days were so damn good, why did we bother to invent modern times?

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#995887 - 09/01/17 12:15 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: Paul De]  
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there were rumors back on July 27th of a partnership with Tesla. Livewire hasn't had a real update since 2014 or so. It had a sixty odd mile range which would be wholly unacceptable so perhaps they decided to see what Tesla could offer them.

On closer inspection the Livewire previewed the new Softtails in suspension treatment, even the headlamp and turn signals now appear in the regular lineup

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#995905 - 09/01/17 03:12 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: BamaRider]  
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Their bikes have 0 appeal to 99% of most millennials.

And myself as a one percenter of the Mid-West Baby Boomers, as I value a contemporary performance envelope. Cruiser style just isn't me as well.

I am a BIG fan of the V-Rod motor's performance. I just wish it was an engineering generation newer in a lighter more compact package for a sport/touring mission profile. Too bad it has been dropped instead of developed into what I just said! cry


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#995916 - 09/01/17 03:48 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: BamaRider]  
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I'd like to see Harley do something like the R9T, or R1100S. A 100-120 HP, lightweight, v-twin that's comfortable enough to ride all day. An engine like what Indian has in the Scout, in a sport-touring chassis would be good place to start.

(Sorry about the big picture ^ That caught me by surprise)

#995928 - 09/01/17 05:55 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: Dennis Andress]  
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Harley Davidson will NEVER compete with anyone not in the big twin style cruiser market.

Say what you want, good or bad, but they ( meaning the Motor Company and dealer network ) are not geared to selling ANYTHING beyond lifestyle. While there are some good things about the newer bikes, they are not really doing anything better than they did 10 years ago. Stuck in a rut. Which is ok as long as the market is there. When the market shrinks and profit margins shrink more, there goes the one really outstanding thing about Harley Davidson. The awesome Dealer network!

#995929 - 09/01/17 06:18 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: realshelby]  
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I'd forgotten about their Lifestyle thing. I remember watching a couple walk into a Harley dealership, he goes one way to look at shinny things, and she goes the other to look at clothes.

Yeah, they do have a hard row to hoe...

(Personally, every time a loud Harley hurts my ears I wish they hadn't survived the Great Recession.)

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#995936 - 09/01/17 08:44 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: Dennis Andress]  
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Originally Posted By: Dennis Andress
I'd like to see Harley do something like the R9T, or R1100S. A 100-120 HP, lightweight, v-twin that's comfortable enough to ride all day. An engine like what Indian has in the Scout, in a sport-touring chassis would be good place to start.

(Sorry about the big picture ^ That caught me by surprise)


well many in the Harley world were hoping for something to come out of the trademarking of the Sport Glide name. that may be next year if they are lucky.

with regards to what millennials are buying, less than three percent of adults ride.

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