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#995941 - 09/02/17 12:04 AM Re: The Harley State [Re: CommuterChris]  
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I just don't see as much interest in any kind of vehicles in younger generations. When I was 16, everyone wanted to drive. I got a motorbike when I was 13 and a car when I was 15. I had the car before I could get a license to drive it. I spent a year working on it in the garage. Neither of my kids had that kind of interest in cars. My daughter doesn't even own a car although she had a Puch motorbike for awhile. And for my son a car is just a needed appliance like a toaster. My grandson didn't even get a driver's license until he was about 20 years old.

If motorcycle companies are really looking to the future they should probably branch out into other lines of business. Sad to say that, but that is what it looks like to me.


Will

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#995979 - 09/02/17 02:50 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: Dennis Andress]  
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Got to agree, every time I get behind an HD I get treated to the obnoxious racket as well as the stench of unburned hydrocarbons.

Maybe the future will also see fewer motor homes clogging the roads due to lack of interest by millennials, we can only hope.


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#996368 - 09/08/17 02:43 AM Re: The Harley State [Re: JamesW]  
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Originally Posted By: JamesW
Got to agree, every time I get behind an HD I get treated to the obnoxious racket as well as the stench of unburned hydrocarbons.

Maybe the future will also see fewer motor homes clogging the roads due to lack of interest by millennials, we can only hope.


They take a perfectly running stock bike and turn it into an asphyxiation device. They had a rally here during bike week from Arrowhead HD to Scottsdale with one of the SOA characters leading the charge. It was 10 miles long. I started in the back and got within a mile of the front...I thought I was going to pass out from the polluting exhaust. I have to wonder if those unburnt HC cause ring wear.


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#996374 - 09/08/17 12:53 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: Ponch]  
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Originally Posted By: Ponch
Originally Posted By: JamesW
Got to agree, every time I get behind an HD I get treated to the obnoxious racket as well as the stench of unburned hydrocarbons.

Maybe the future will also see fewer motor homes clogging the roads due to lack of interest by millennials, we can only hope.


They take a perfectly running stock bike and turn it into an asphyxiation device. They had a rally here during bike week from Arrowhead HD to Scottsdale with one of the SOA characters leading the charge. It was 10 miles long. I started in the back and got within a mile of the front...I thought I was going to pass out from the polluting exhaust. I have to wonder if those unburnt HC cause ring wear.


For sure loud exhaust and unburnt the hydrocarbons have me putting a lot of hawgs in my rear view mirror. The Milwaukee 8 motor may mitigate the dirty motor issue, because the older motors came through so anemic to meet sound & emmisions regs it was enevitable that Hawg riders were paying for mods to get the motor to perform well. The new motors deliver the expected performance as delivered. The loud bike thing is another question as this is more of a cruiser culture mind set.

One thing I"ll give kudos to millennials is they are on average more of a we instead of me culture and if they should get the Hawg bug they may not want to be obnoxiously loud when riding. I still think price is a big barrier. These folks came of age in a crap economy and those with a high income potential also have significant debt in front of them to pay off student loans and maybe buy a house... Toys are down the list and the new round of the latest mobile phone will have them cracking into that piggy bank before they get close to the down stroke needed to buy a high dollar motorcycle


If the good old days were so damn good, why did we bother to invent modern times?

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#996380 - 09/08/17 03:04 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: BamaRider]  
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I was talking with my son this morning about this issue. He pointed out that many younger people would rather car share than own one.

Like the recreational sailing industry, participants are aging out.


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#996603 - 09/11/17 01:25 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: Bud]  
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Originally Posted By: Bud
I was talking with my son this morning about this issue. He pointed out that many younger people would rather car share than own one.


I think we finally have a generation that cares less about it's personal freedom than the previous one. That, is sad....

Shawn

#996617 - 09/11/17 03:25 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: Bud]  
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Originally Posted By: Bud
I was talking with my son this morning about this issue. He pointed out that many younger people would rather car share than own one.

Like the recreational sailing industry, participants are aging out.


I have a 21 year old nephew and an 18 year old niece ... neither of whom even bothered to get their drivers licenses. That would have been inconceivable to me as a kid!


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#996631 - 09/11/17 05:40 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: Lone_RT_rider]  
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Originally Posted By: Lone_RT_rider
Originally Posted By: Bud
I was talking with my son this morning about this issue. He pointed out that many younger people would rather car share than own one.


I think we finally have a generation that cares less about it's personal freedom than the previous one. That, is sad....

Shawn


Shawn, I think you hit nail on the head.

#996634 - 09/11/17 06:15 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: Dennis Andress]  
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Originally Posted By: Dennis Andress
Originally Posted By: Lone_RT_rider
Originally Posted By: Bud
I was talking with my son this morning about this issue. He pointed out that many younger people would rather car share than own one.


I think we finally have a generation that cares less about it's personal freedom than the previous one. That, is sad....

Shawn


Shawn, I think you hit nail on the head.


Doesn't seem sad to me but admirably sensible -- owning and maintaining a car is their personal choice based on need, where they live and if/how they commute. Some don't particularly like driving and there's less peer pressure to own cool wheels compared to previous generations.

Some kids can't wait to drive; some kids don't care much. I don't think that defines or reflects a generational care about personal freedom.


John
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#996638 - 09/11/17 06:31 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: JohnH VA]  
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Originally Posted By: JohnH VA
Originally Posted By: Dennis Andress
Originally Posted By: Lone_RT_rider
Originally Posted By: Bud
I was talking with my son this morning about this issue. He pointed out that many younger people would rather car share than own one.


I think we finally have a generation that cares less about it's personal freedom than the previous one. That, is sad....

Shawn


Shawn, I think you hit nail on the head.


Doesn't seem sad to me but admirably sensible -- owning and maintaining a car is their personal choice based on need, where they live and if/how they commute. Some don't particularly like driving and there's less peer pressure to own cool wheels compared to previous generations.

Some kids can't wait to drive; some kids don't care much. I don't think that defines or reflects a generational care about personal freedom.


Not owning a car in an urban area is perfectly sensible.
Not caring about personal freedom is sad.

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