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#996641 - 09/11/17 06:52 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: Dennis Andress]
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I believe we have a generation which is less interested in owning vehicles, but I don't see how not owning a vehicle, be it a car, or a motorcycle, has anything to do with "personal freedom". Maybe I don't understand what the point was.


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#996654 - 09/11/17 10:19 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: Lone_RT_rider]
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Originally Posted By: Lone_RT_rider

I think we finally have a generation that cares less about it's personal freedom than the previous one.


I don't think that's the case at all. Their definition and perception of freedom is just different than yours/ours.

Their freedom is not to have a car payment, not to have to struggle with parking, not to have to worry about car maintenance, freedom to travel, party, work etc. withput ever having to worry where is MY car, how to get back home etc.
Owning and having to "drag along" your own car is to them like dead weight that makes them less agile. Less free.

They just look at things differently, with focus on doing things instead of owning things.

And "they" in the context of this reply = twenty something young adults who live & work in bigger cities.

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#996838 - 09/14/17 02:24 AM Re: The Harley State [Re: FlyingFinn]
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Originally Posted By: FlyingFinn
Originally Posted By: Lone_RT_rider

I think we finally have a generation that cares less about it's personal freedom than the previous one.


I don't think that's the case at all. Their definition and perception of freedom is just different than yours/ours.

Their freedom is not to have a car payment, not to have to struggle with parking, not to have to worry about car maintenance, freedom to travel, party, work etc. withput ever having to worry where is MY car, how to get back home etc.
Owning and having to "drag along" your own car is to them like dead weight that makes them less agile. Less free.

They just look at things differently, with focus on doing things instead of owning things.

And "they" in the context of this reply = twenty something young adults who live & work in bigger cities.


Going far from the original topic but what you describe is nothing new, each generation letting their freedom flag fly and all...but in the end all become invested in something. Soon enough, there is something to loose and they become the establishment. So, then how does an established company capture the freedom of those who have willingly forgone foot loose and fancy free for a more rooted life. So maybe sell cheap time shares and entice those who would consider owning their own with he freedom to fit that ride in between their gigs, kids and other commitments. OK now I'm depressed!
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#996845 - 09/14/17 09:47 AM Re: The Harley State [Re: Paul De]
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Originally Posted By: Paul De
[quote=FlyingFinn]
Going far from the original topic but what you describe is nothing new, each generation letting their freedom flag fly and all...but in the end all become invested in something. Soon enough, there is something to loose and they become the establishment. So, then how does an established company capture the freedom of those who have willingly forgone foot loose and fancy free for a more rooted life. So maybe sell cheap time shares and entice those who would consider owning their own with he freedom to fit that ride in between their gigs, kids and other commitments. OK now I'm depressed!


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If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain

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#997063 - 09/16/17 04:57 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: BamaRider]
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I think you guys are thinking way to global on this. Yes the world is changing. Daily commuter cars are about to be turn upside down. I agree that the average college kid isn't thinking about a harley right now and is thinking about virtual reality. That said, I don't think motorcycles are in any long term trouble. There will be a revolt against the mundane when they wake up one day and realize they are wasting their lives on xbox and crave danger and adrenaline in their lives. Owning a commuter car in a big city may become a rare thing very soon, but that doesn't necessarily apply to recreation. Sports car that you, not a computer, can drive and motorcycles without dumb stuff like dual clutches (Honda are you listening?) will still find there place. I believe the next nostalgia market will be analog.

Harley is double downing killing v rod. Maybe they're right. I say good luck with that, but its hard to say what it might look like. Harley needs to stop thing entry level priced bikes are going to rescue them and start thinking about what that broke 25 year old will want when he gets money. Maybe they have and feel that its a harley, but having more than one line in the water right now couldn't hurt. I think out of Vrod and Buell, The Buell had more promise. They finally let eric go out and get a real motor and killed the whole line a year later. The v rod line really is very close to harley and really could be rebirthed under the harley name if they wanted. I think is they had stayed with buell a few more years they would have started seeing promise if they continued on the mindset of the 1090. Then they would have time to learn how to build their own motor and bring back the America thyme under the Harley network. Now who would trust Harley if they did start a new line that they weren't going to leave them high and dry will no dealer or parts support. I haven't heard if they are killing those two thing with vrod, but they did with Buell.
One other poster did mention the dealer network was part of the problem. I would agree but for different reason. How many guys on the sales floor knew much of anything about the buell and probably looked down on it.

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#997075 - 09/16/17 09:54 PM Re: The Harley State [Re: rodantking]
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Originally Posted By: rodantking

One other poster did mention the dealer network was part of the problem. I would agree but for different reason. How many guys on the sales floor knew much of anything about the buell and probably looked down on it.


The Harley Davidson dealer network is the best in the business. As long as you own or want to buy a HARLEY. Buells and V Rods are not HARLEYS. I went to two dealers in Houston and looked at a Buell for over 1/2 hour. No one even spoke to me. So it isn't just not knowing product, it is not wanting to sell the product. That will KILL any attempt to stray beyond the beaten path with the brand. Harley sells lifestyle. Not too interested in things that interest a typical BMW owner for instance ( probably the two most opposite attitudes ).
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#997093 - 09/17/17 12:01 AM Re: The Harley State [Re: BamaRider]
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I've seen children of friends not being interested in learning to drive until they exited college and entered reality. Now they own cars. As for the car share, that will work for those that can't afford their own or only need one once or twice a month. People like stuff and they want their own stuff. And people that do not own things tend to abuse things they rent.

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#997466 - 09/21/17 01:23 AM Re: The Harley State [Re: TEWKS]
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Originally Posted By: TEWKS
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