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#997419 - 09/20/17 05:00 PM Ken Burns - Vietnam  
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I can not say enough about this series on PBS. It shows both sides, explains why our choices doomed us to failure and how military decisions were, in part, based on re-election prospects.

It also shows how the war was started as a covert operation w/o informing the American public.

Last nights program highlighted the first firefight of the war. Col. Hal Moore and 200 men faced a force of over 7 times their size. Col. Moore was first on the ground and last to leave when it was over, taking all of his men with him, both dead and alive. If you want to know more, read We were soldiers once and young

Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it.

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#997421 - 09/20/17 05:17 PM Re: Ken Burns - Vietnam [Re: Bud]  
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Originally Posted By: Bud
If you want to know more, read We were soldiers once and young



A most outstanding book!! For those that don't know, it goes beyond the movie's Ia Drang Valley fight.

Also, SgtMaj Plumley passed in 2012 and LtGen Moore recently passed in Feb 2017. Two great warriors!!!

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#997431 - 09/20/17 06:13 PM Re: Ken Burns - Vietnam [Re: Bud]  
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It is a great series, Ken B does such a good job on these series. Unfortunately while some facts are revealing it's also quite disturbing. I've been waking up thinking about it.


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#997432 - 09/20/17 06:17 PM Re: Ken Burns - Vietnam [Re: Bud]  
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Been watching it the past 3 nights. Most excellent and eye-opening. Thanks to all who served there. You deserved much better when you came home, and glad you're all being recognized as the heroes you are.


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#997437 - 09/20/17 07:24 PM Re: Ken Burns - Vietnam [Re: The Rocketman]  
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Thanks to all who served there. You deserved much better when you came home, and glad you're all being recognized as the heroes you are.


Amen to that! thumbsup What a terrible shitstorm to be forced into as a 19 y/o kid. Then on top of that, be disrespected if you survived your year.


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#997443 - 09/20/17 08:53 PM Re: Ken Burns - Vietnam [Re: Bud]  
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it is excellent .

particularly since it goes into such detail regarding the North/South political differences and the long pre-history of french colonization.


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#997468 - 09/21/17 02:25 AM Re: Ken Burns - Vietnam [Re: Living the Dream]  
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Originally Posted By: Living the Dream
Originally Posted By: Bud
If you want to know more, read We were soldiers once and young



A most outstanding book!! For those that don't know, it goes beyond the movie's Ia Drang Valley fight.

Also, SgtMaj Plumley passed in 2012 and LtGen Moore recently passed in Feb 2017. Two great warriors!!!


When I was a First Sergeant I had all of my newly promoted NCOS read We were Soldiers once and young. Great lessons on how leadership can overcome adversity. No way to tell the whole story in a movie.

I also had the honor of knowing CSMs Plumley and Scott. CSM Scott was the CSM of the ad hoc battalion sent to relieve 1-7 and was I believe was awarded the distinguished service cross for bravery in the Ia Drang. He was also severely wounded. Both served in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam.

I also met LTG Moore on a few occasions. Great Americans it was a honor just to have met them.


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#997480 - 09/21/17 05:05 PM Re: Ken Burns - Vietnam [Re: Bud]  
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Fascinating series. I remember that era all too well. The US was torn apart, politically and culturally. We'll never know what JFK would have done. After the Bay of Pigs, I think he would have been more skeptical of the brass and congressional hawks than was LBJ, but who knows.

I missed the draft (or it missed me when it ended) by 3 months so I was personally spared. To this day, I don't know what I would have done if compelled to join that war -- which, by 1973, was a lost cause. And by that time, without getting too political here, Nixon's Peace With Honor campaign-style sloganeering was utterly cynical (especially considering his treacherous backchanneling just before the '68 election that scuttled LBJ's peace talks).

McNamara's visit to Hanoi in the 90's opened his eyes only slightly to the cultural/nationalist motivation of the North Vietnamese (gangsters) who refused to give up their civil war. They "won" against an enormous foe, no doubt about it. The USA lost much more than valiant lives in that war.


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#997486 - 09/21/17 07:04 PM Re: Ken Burns - Vietnam [Re: Bud]  
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In March, 1972 I was on a train with other inductees on the way to AFEES/St. Louis. Turns out they didn't want me.

The series is spellbinding, but, while watching, I'm distracted by this question, "Given we've been at war since 9/11, have we learned anything?"


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#997487 - 09/21/17 07:31 PM Re: Ken Burns - Vietnam [Re: Bud]  
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Well, there are only a few people in the "we" circle and the current mood there tells me, no we haven't.


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